Rom Coms: Eagle vs Shark (2007)

Gather together from the cosmic reaches of the universe. Here in this great screening room with comfortable recliners are the most powerful forces of good ever assembled.

Keith, there's some. There's some highbrow listeners get caught that one.

Terry.

What surprised me was there's some goblins in there. There are some wizards, Derek.

They probably do the same thing where they. And if you're listening and you've seen the three amigos, you know what I just did. And the power twins, Zap and Jordan with their magical lemur snort dedic to fumbling their way through movies one forgotten gem at a time. This week we watch the 2007 Taika Waititi AwkwardFest. Eagle vs Shark. This is fumbling through film.

Swoop.

I need to go home to my hometown.

Oh, that sounds cool.

No, it's not cool. It's necessary.

Why?

Because of my mission. It's time to put my training into use.

What do you have to do?

Kill a man, probably.

Who?

Eric Elise. He's Samoan.

Boy. What did he do?

Nearly ruined my life, that's all. He's my high school nemesis. He's been living in Samoa, but I just heard from my contact that he's gonna be home soon. When he gets back, guess who's gonna be forming the welcoming party?

You.

You got it, girl.

What exactly are you gonna do to him?

I'm gonna kick his Samoan ass, that's what. It's time to pay the piper. He's gonna reap what he sowed. And it sure ain't corn or wheat.

Hello, and welcome to another one of a kind, genre defining, brand new episode of Fumbling through Film. The only show that dares to bring together three dudes to talk about movies. These, however, aren't just any movies.

Nope.

These are the ones we've missed, overlooked, or feel are simply worth revisiting. That's any movie. It's still. It still is any movie. I don't care what anyone says. We're.

Oh, my side.

Keith was wavering staunchly into the any movie.

I think I won him over last week.

I got scientists working on this.

Got scientists working on this.

I thought we scientifically proved it last.

I hired a staff.

A staff? Multiple scientists.

No, he's got a giant wooden pole that he uses to.

He's like carving in the dirt.

I. I just po. I poke at movies and see if they. If there any movie or not.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, movie. You Any movie? No?

All right.

All right. It ran away so I couldn't tell what it was. And yeah,

Run off into the woods and you're just whacking it.

Anyway, my name is Cat in the Hat, too.

What?

I think it was Cat in the Hat, too, that ran off.

Get. God.

That's on HBO now.

My name is Derek, and I am a Fumbler. Joining me here with his wooden staff that he's hired is the prime minister of fumbling and film, Keith. Hey.

Hey, what's up, everybody? KG Fumbler extraordinaire. My favorite animal is lion.

His favorite animal is. Oh, see, Keith, you just ruined the new bit that we're gonna do this week.

Spoilers, spoilers.

That other person out there spoiling things with his favorite Animal is the Dr. Dre of Kansas. It's Terry.

Hey, everybody, it's Terry. I would spoil my favorite animal, but I think there's a segment coming up or. What?

No. What's your favorite anim animal? Let's get it out of the way now.

Oh, goodness. All right, let me think. Probably house cat.

House cat.

I love cats. Yeah, they're people. It's my baby. I love house casts. They're so cute. They're my favorite.

They are. You know what else is my favorite?

This podcast.

Podcast.

Is that your favorite animal?

Yes, my favorite animal is a bear.

Oh, of course it is. You're chicagian. I know that.

Well, not just because of Chicago bears. It goes bear. Rhinoceros. Oh, yeah, otter.

Oh, otter's nice.

Isn't that, like, a weird trio? And then probably dolphin comes in after that.

But I like whales. I think a whale.

Whales. Yeah. Whales are awesome. Dolphins are whales.

So this dragon.

Komodo dragon. They have poisonous. Not poisonous, but, like, their saliva will dissolve your flesh.

Yeah, they. They bite their prey, and then they just stalk it until it, like, collapses from the bacteria.

Yeah, it's disgusting.

They're dragging, though. That's the cool part.

The board is. Yeah. Their name is honestly the coolest part about them. Yeah.

But anyway, I don't remember where we were at. I was like, oh, you know what else is my favorite? This show.

Oh, yes, this podcast. Even this podcast.

Even this podcast is my favorite. So for those that are new here, we should let them know what is we do here. Right? Because it's my favorite. I know off the top of my head.

Yeah.

I bet you'll just rail off something

real quick without any fumbling.

If you have a security blanket of a spread of a word doc pulled up next to you.

Now, this is. That's incorrect, Keith. I just have my security blanket word dock for the. Hello. And welcome. Part.

This part, you cuff you off the cuff. This part.

Off the cuff.

This part. I'm impressed.

Every day. No.

Oh, God, I've already screwed it up.

No. Every week we watch movies, but not just any movie. Every month, one of us chooses a theme, a genre, a guiding light, some sort of high school vendetta to live our life.

Yeah.

Ruin our life and make our movie choices for us. And each of us chooses a movie that hears that vendetta. And then on the fourth week, we watch a tangential movie that's been given to us by a magic wheel.

And we just figured out what the wheel's based on. Now it's high school vendetta.

High school vendetta could possibly be.

Well, the wheel's getting old. It's getting into that high school age, so, you know, it gets a little angsty sometimes. So we got to be careful how we. We can't tell what to do. We got to be nice to it. Very polite.

Anyway, this week. This month was a Keith month. We are DTF down to fumble Y2. Y stands for Year Month. Five, right? Yeah, five. So, Keith, what is it that you gave to us this month?

Well, since I'm the rom com guy,

I decided you're the one that declared it man.

Self proclaimed.

No one gave you that title.

You gave it to yourself. To a, like our guest on the podcast or one and only guests never

ever talk to again.

Okay. I wanted to shake it up a little bit. This month I went and chose romcoms. And the first week we watched When Harry Met Sally.

When Harry Met Sally. That was Keith's choice.

One of the highest acclaimed rom coms, according to Keith.

I don't know. I. I looked up several lists online, and that was never the top.

It wasn't?

No.

Oh,

what'd you just say?

List you're looking at.

You're calling. Huh?

All right.

Well, yeah, because that other. You probably pulled up that same AI thing that messed you up with it.

Oh, no. I went to letterboxd. I found lists on there.

Now they know what they're talking about on there.

They do. That's my source of truth is letterboxd.

There's so much truth on there, it's almost overwhelming how much truth you'll find it is.

So Keith gave us When Harry Met Sally. That means we're in W2. That's Terry Week. Terry, what did you give us?

So I picked a movie called Eagle vs Shark.

Eagle vs Shark.

From 2007, if you're curious.

7. Now, before we talk about our viewing of Eagle vs Shark before Terry takes even Terry takes us closer than we could ever imagined in a pet. Impending Fumbler's deep dive into Eagle versus Shark. See, I just. Superfluous details there. Did any of us have any previous knowledge, history, or experience with Eagle versus Shark?

No, not really.

I think I've seen this before, actually.

Oh, wow. Okay.

Wow.

I just saw it on a list somewhere of rom coms and so that's why I picked it.

Me. I had rented this on Netflix when they used to do DVDs in the mail. Oh, I guarantee I held on to it for like two months. And never watched it. No, and sent it back.

That's the saddest story ever told. DVD shipped but never watched.

It's also a tale as old as time. I can't be the only person that did this. I had never seen it, but I. I had heard of it. I did not realize that it had Jermaine in it and it was done by Ty. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that it had people I knew in it. It was done by someone I'd seen previous work.

Because you didn't get to do a deep dive yet. I mean, you would know.

Sorry. What a. What a dumbass I am.

How could you spoil such a key aspect of my deep dive? My big reveal.

Anywho. Yeah, I never seen it.

You tried, though.

I didn't try very hard because that. I didn't even, like, open the envelope. Right.

Just.

I ended up just.

He just left it in there, carrying

the perforation off, resealing it, and putting it back in the box. I think I only did that because we moved.

Yeah, I used to get. I used to get three DVDs at a time from. From Netflix.

I only did one at a time because I knew my tendencies.

I. I had it set up to where, like, they would. I. They would come in on Thursday, I would watch Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. I would watch a movie each day, and then on Monday, I would throw them back in the mail.

You're like the Solomon grundy of watching DVDs.

Yeah, I would get. I would get them back on. I would get them back again the following. The following Thursday again.

Watch a movie on a Friday, watch the movie on a Saturday, watch the movie on a Sunday, return on Monday. Wait, wait.

Solomon Grundy, Netflix and Chill on a Monday.

Oh,

with the rhyme.

That's pretty good, Keith.

I like that.

You know, they're doing this. This new absolute line of dc. I think that Keith Needs to get in there. For Solomon Serial Netflix renter

Keith, it's time for you and I to treat this like a lazy weekend because we're gonna relax.

Red Vines and. Oh, weekend. Whole weekend.

How long is this deep, deep dive supposed to last?

Well, you know, like, you know. So like, you're like, no, you're like school on Sunday, no class. Right. Like, we're just gonna be like, we'll be like a lazy weekend. Relax. Right? That's us. We're going to relax. Not for the duration of a whole weekend, but we're just going to relax like it's a lazy weekend because Terry is going to take us closer to eagle versus Shark in one of our pet and pending fumbler deep dives.

That's right. All right, so we're talking about Evil Eagle vs Shark from 2000.

Evil vs Shark as well would be an awesome movie.

Evil vs Shark would be awesome. Yeah. Nature. It's like nature's most powerful weapon versus evil itself. So the synopsis on IMDb or the, I guess the tagline. The tale of two socially awkward misfits in the strange ways they try to find love through revenge on high school bullies, burgers and video games.

To call them socially awkward misfits is like the kindest way to possibly describe them.

I agree with that. They're on a different level, like, than that. I feel like. Yeah, so awkward is not the right one.

Is far worse than the other one.

I would actually argue socially awkward. Yeah.

Yes.

The other one.

I don't even know.

I don't know what I'd call him besides like, anti social and.

Oh, boy, he's a disaster.

Oh, you're talking about the guy.

All right.

Yeah, we're talking about the, the, the eagle.

The eagle portion of this shark.

Yeah. Combo Eagle Lord or whatever he calls himself. So this was directed by Drumroll, the big surprise. Taka Waititi.

Oh, didn't know that. Wow.

Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that until Terry mentioned it last week. I had no idea.

Oh, I already spoiled it last week. Dang it.

Yep.

Oh, well, okay.

The fact that I remember that no one else does is beyond me.

Your. Your memory is like a lockbox. You lock everything in there and it never.

It is a lockbox of efficiency.

That's what they call you.

That's on my business card.

The lockbox Lock box of efficiency. Yes. So he's pretty popular. Writer and director. Eagle vs Shark was his first feature length film, but he's done a lot more stuff since then.

I feel like this movie could have fallen into the indie AF category as well.

Yeah, it has a big indie, like, indie vibe, I thought.

Yeah.

A very indies 2000s vibe.

Yes.

So of course, he has directed what We do in the Shadows, the movie which the show is based off of. And he also, like, produced that. Wrote some stuff on that. He directed Thor Ragnarok and Thor Love and Thunder, two of the later Thor movies. Ragnarok is one of those ones that really gets hyped up. People really like that one. I'm not a big fan of it so much. It's okay. But my wife loves that movie. Yeah.

Like, she watches it multiple times a year.

I. I agree. I like the back third of the movie better than the rest where he's fighting his sister.

Yes. Yes. That's good. There's good parts in it. Just. I feel like the vibe is just off for me. I just don't like how, like, I like ridiculous stuff, but I feel like it just. They made Thor too stupid. I don't know. I want Thor to be a little more serious, I guess. I don't know. I don't know what I want. But people like it, so what do I know?

People love that movie.

Yes. Yes. The real.

The real problem was then is that he like doubled down on all of that for Love and Thunder and. And it just does. Did not work with that storyline.

Yeah, it was. It didn't work very well, I thought.

But I. I will say for Ragnarok, it has one of the most copied action sequences since he did it. And it's that profile view of Thor jumping through the sky with the lightning in the background. He's got the ax over his head. He's coming down on. I can't remember whoa.

Or what.

Right.

It don't matter. But that's been done to death since it. It ranks up there where the Matrix bullet dodge sort of thing. Or the camera, like, it's so copied, it's ridiculous. Every time I see it, it makes me chuckle.

The new Spider man trailer has Spider man, like, jumping at somebody the same exact way.

Like pilot ninjas.

Yeah, The. The hand is attacking him apparently.

Ninjas.

Spider man versus Ninjas. I'm all for it.

I agree.

Thor versus Ninjas would love that for Thor.

Anything versus Ninjas.

Yeah, that's safe to say. Yeah. Ninjas all the way around.

Avengers versus. That could be the next Avengers movies. The true villain.

Yeah. Even like Ninjas versus Ninjas. I'd watch that.

Oh, God, that's even better.

Oh, ninjas on ninjas. Like Those motorcycles. So ninjas riding Kawasaki Ninjas. Fighting ninjas.

And when they go home, they've got some appliances, they've got some blenders and things, and. Yeah, it flashes to the top and it's ninja.

They got the bullet.

They got the countertop.

It's a.

It's a air fryer and a toaster oven. I have one of those. It folds up. I love it.

I mean, you got it. I mean, you gotta have. You gotta be able to, like, mix up, like, a nice protein smoothie using the smoothie.

Got the bullet.

Yep.

Got the coffee maker.

We got.

We got, like, several ninja appliances.

Yeah. I mean, being a ninja is not just a career, but a lifestyle.

It is.

Just keep that in mind. If you've ever become one, I guess, fight one, you know, working lifestyle.

First into. Yeah, the ninja lifestyle. And then I'll work into the ninja repertoire.

I think that's. Yeah, that's the traditional path. I think, like, first, you know, when you start talking to the ninja career people, they're like, yeah, well, first, here, let me get you some merchandise. You just got to buy this from me. You start to build it up and. Okay, now we'll start to let you into our inner circle. Once you buy enough stuff and sell

enough of the ninja product, it's an mlm.

They start to build off of that, and then eventually you get to the inner circle and you become ninja as well.

That's the worst part. When you go to career day and you go to the ninja table, and they're happy to talk to you and they're ready to sign you up, but then you start getting the phone calls to buy the ninja equipment.

Yeah. And you have to, if you want to get.

And then if you could find five more people to sign up for the ninja stuff.

Yeah. Maybe you can sell your ninja stuff to five other people. And then that's how it starts to get.

Yep. And you see people with bumper stickers want to be a ninja? Ask me how.

Yeah.

But then it's a really good bumper sticker idea.

Then you'll. All of a sudden you're like, flash forward and you've invited 10 friends over to, like, for a ninja party. Yep. You're having a ninja party, showing off all your appliances. Maybe a couple skills, if you're lucky. Yeah.

Like, here's a good container. Like, you get, like, a airtight container that's shaped like a ninja star, and you could stack up, like, 10 of them in there.

I would love some Tupperware shaped like a ninja star. You throw it. It'd be so easy to transport.

I know.

Yeah.

They don't spill out in the car everywhere. When you have them in there, it

just starts spilling out.

It's really good Tupperware. It's sometimes a little hard to get open when you need to get to the stars real quickly, but. Yeah.

And then getting the lid back on afterwards. The trick is you gotta press hard in the center.

Oh, that's the trick. I always tried the edges.

No, don't do. Don't go edge. Press right in the middle. They put it. Even put a circle on there as, like, a target for where to press what that's for.

Interesting. Yep. Yep. Wow. I learned something. See, my ninja skills are a little lacking anyways, so. Taika Waititi has not directed any ninja films as far as I'm aware. Damn it. But he has directed Time Jojo Rabbit, which was a film I really like,

which is a Nazi movie, which is.

Hold on. That's not good. I really like this film. It is the. Takes place in World War II. And, yeah, taka Waititi's in it and he plays Hitler, but it's imaginary Hitler.

Okay. I haven't seen it.

I don't know. It's a really good movie. Really good movie. So it's like, takes place in Germany, World War II. The kid starts to kind of start to, like. He has. He's going to all these, like. It's kind of like Boy Scouts, but for Nazis, I guess. Not great, you know, but he starts to, like, his imaginary friend is Hitler. Just always being goofy and weird and, like, getting him. Egging him on to do stuff. And then eventually starts to have the revelation that this is not good propaganda, you know, that's been going on and, like, melting his brain is. He starts to, like, wake up to what's actually going on. It's really goofy at times, but it gets really serious at times. It's a really good blend of both of those.

Scarlett Johansson is his mom.

Yep. Yep, yep.

That's one of those movies that, depending on what social media outlet, Iran will really dig into that. Decry it like, it's such a. Whatever.

Yeah. Which it is a very risky film to make. I feel like.

Yeah, sure.

But I think he pulled it off. I honestly do. I think it's pretty good. Made me cry in the theater. Me and my sister watched that together. We both were bawling.

Wow.

It was like, only us in there, too. There's nobody else in that theater, which is probably good. Keith, this is. This one's for you. He also created and produced the Time Bandits TV TV series.

There's a Time Bandits TV series?

Yeah, they tried to do.

They tried to do that. I think it's on Amazon or something like that. A few years back on Apple. Yeah. I don't remember it being very good.

I had no idea such a thing existed.

Yeah, Time Banish tv. The directed episode of it as well. And I'll be honest, I didn't really know what Time Banish was. Never really dug into it.

We had two opportunities to watch last year and figure it out.

I've never dug into it because I assume someday Keith is going to make us watch it someday. Yeah, but. Well, but the TV show. I'll just say what I saw from the trailer of the TV show. And it looks like a kid. His room is some sort of anomaly in time that lets him travel to different eras. There's also these Time bandits running around and doing things and they start to team up. The bandits are like thieves and they steal things throughout time.

That sounds like the movie if I remember correctly. It's been a very long time.

Yeah, I think he just redid the movie but into like a eight episode series type thing or something.

Okay.

Yeah. Well, there you go.

What surprised me was there's some goblins in there. There are some legends.

That surprised you?

I wasn't expecting something.

I wasn't ready for goblins.

I mean, I was gonna get some hard sci fi here or there are goblins in my heart. Sci fi. What's up? This wizard guy. Oh, you're telling me there's a mystical force. He can shoot laser beams out of his eyes. Oh, wow. So unrealistic.

That is not hard sci fi at all.

No, that's the opposite of hard sci fi. That's soft sci fi.

The softest possible.

That's. That's kind of Cinemax puts on.

Why would Cinemax put that on specifically soft sci fi? Because they did softcore porn. You think you do soft core sci fi?

Maybe. My man's probably plays on that quite a bit then.

Yeah, there's. There's some. There's some highbrow listeners that caught that one.

Oh, the highbrow ones caught that?

Yeah.

Yep.

Probably.

All right, I believe you. I, I don't. There's a lot to this time banner thing. I tried not to go too deep into it and I'm sure, like I said, someday we're gonna get our chance because Keith's gonna find a way to make it happen. Who knows?

That was last year.

Oh, Last year, Keith.

If there's anything I know about Keith is he does not bring up things for the past.

Yeah, he never. He always for, you know, moves on and doesn't.

No, well, no, the problem is I can't bring it up because you two know what I'm talking about. Then I can only bring up things that only one of you would know of and.

Oh, I see.

Well, Cherry does. Still doesn't know what Time Bandits is necessarily. And I don't remember all that well.

So this movie was not only directed by Taika Waititi, but it was written by him as well. I saw that it was written by Lauren Taylor. So Lauren Taylor is also the star of the film. She plays the main character, Lily. She's been a few different things, though. Not anything I really recognize at all. There was a movie called existence from 2012 where she played a character named Freya.

Is that the one that ends with the Z?

No, it just is spelled like you expect Existence. Oh, no, it's not that David Cronenberg film. That'd be awesome. I wish it was that. No, this is like some sort of. I guess I was trying to figure it out with the trailer. It looks like it's a post apocalyptic western type of thing.

Oh, I like that idea.

So it's like. It's one of those. It reminded me a lot of like the Village, where it's like all these people are in this small town. They can't leave.

Not selling it.

Yeah, I know. I don't like the Village, but it's terrible. They're not allowed to leave the perimeter. There's like these mysterious rioters who enforce like, the property line so nobody can leave. Lauren Taylor, she plays the main character. Of course she wants to escape. It's kind of got like, you see, like, little hints. Like there's like a storage container, like a big metal storage container. One push. Like, well, that doesn't fit with the times. And like, there's a few things in there that you're like, oh, something weird happened. I'm wondering if it's just like people kidnapped and being held hostage in the property. Yeah, who knows, really? Like I said, I was like, this is like the Village, isn't it? But she also wrote and directed the film and she acted in it in a movie called the Moon is Upside Down.

I've never heard of this.

Me neither. And it's not watchable in the United States, so don't even try.

Why are we even mentioning.

Well, it's on the list.

She directed it one of her few directorial works, I think she only did another short film besides this, but. So it's about three random women. Their paths intersect as the film goes on. One is a mail order bride, and when she arrives, things are not as they were promised to her, I guess. So she kind of just kills time. She gets kicked to the curb or something. The other is a anesthesia. Someone who puts.

Anesthesiologist.

Yes, yes. So she's like, struggling with, like, a less than romantic partner and she's just trying to find any sort of spark. And then there's this older woman who's on a mission to spread the ashes of one of her loved ones.

Okay.

And they all meet up at some point.

That's interesting.

Yeah. Group of characters like the Three Amigos.

And it is. They probably do the same thing where they. And if you're listening and you've seen the Three Amigos, you know what I just did?

Yeah.

Well, if you didn't use your imagination,

this movie did win a few awards, so that's kind of cool.

It is kind of cool.

You're right. But it's not watchable, so don't. Don't even try. Oh, yeah, right. Why even bring it up? I don't know why I even brought it up. I'm a fool. So the next person I'll talk about is. Drum roll. Jermaine Clement.

Hey, I know that guy. Yeah?

Yeah.

I mean, I know of him. I don't know him personally.

Oh, okay.

Say that like you know him.

I might.

He's got a guy for everything you're

holding on on us, Terry. We could have had a guest this whole time, had a fourth member of the Fumblers.

I was gonna make it a surprise, but maybe in the last. If you wait till the last five minutes of the episode, who knows it's gonna pop on. He might pop up. Hello, everybody.

I don't know why. That just is like a Beatles.

He sounds like. Yeah. George Harrison. I didn't know that.

I'm from Liverpool.

He is in a band. So. Jermaine Clement. He plays Jared. He's been a lot of stuff, but like I said, he was in a band called Fly of the Concords.

What?

Yeah. This is a band and a TV show.

Oh, what, that changes everything?

Yeah, it's a whole nother level. So the band is pretty hilarious. I throw them on every once in a while.

I agree.

I love playing the Concords.

I've not watched the show, but I have a guy who's really big into it. He's My.

Wow.

The show's really good, too. It's worth watching if you like the songs. The episodes are based on the songs.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Well, there you go.

I should usually, like, two songs work themselves in each episode, and it's, like, part of the storyline.

It's. It's really entertaining. Good. Watch.

He voiced Jerry the Minion in Despicable Me.

Who? Jermaine did?

Yeah, Jermaine. He's voiced Jerry the Minion and Despicable Me.

What about the other ones?

Nope. I didn't see Jerry pop up ever again. So I think it's a one off. It's a one off Minion. Sorry.

They couldn't afford Jermaine after he was in Moana, so.

Yeah. Yeah, Jerry the Minion. I mean, people loved him, but they just couldn't bring him back after that. No. He was such an iconic minion. Everybody liked him.

I don't even know if I've seen Despicable Me. I'm sure I have. I've seen it begrudgingly.

I don't think any of the Minions actually ever say anything. Really. Yeah, yeah. They say banana and they got their own other little bit of, like, their own language going on.

Yeah.

Like, I mean, he could have voiced all of them and got away with it.

It's pretty good. I like this big boomie. I like the first one. I don't think I've seen any of the others. I think there's, like.

I've seen all four, and I'll probably see the one that's coming out this year as well.

Pretty sure I've seen every single one of them. The first one has that it's so fluffy line in it.

Right?

Okay.

Yeah.

Yes.

She wants the stuffed unicorn. Yeah.

Yeah. The second one is Luchador, right?

Yep. Yeah. And it was originally supposed to be Al Pacino voicing it. They had to switch up to Benjamin Brat.

Oh, it's a downgrade.

Yeah.

The third one is. What? What's the third one?

We meet Drew, his twin brother.

I thought that was the second one.

Was that his more evil?

No, the third one. Yeah. You get the twin brother.

Second one is the luchador, and he. And he meets the. The one.

The girl, and then they get the purple Minions. Like the Berserker Minions.

Yep. That's all. Second one. Okay. And then there's Drew, I think.

Is there a fourth one?

There's the Minions movie, which is, like, kind of a filler.

Yes. Which is like a.

Might be good.

I don't know.

I've seen it. It's fine.

Okay. Yeah, the first one's better than the second one.

There's two Minion movies.

Yes.

And a third one coming out this year.

Oh, my God. So how many Despicable Me movies are there?

Four.

Okay. It's got to be the last one.

I think that's when, like, a bunch of, like, there's like, an evil society or something, right?

No, that's a Minions movie. Oh, that's.

I. I forget. I forget what is going. I forget what's going on in the fourth one.

There's a lot.

The fourth one ends with a musical number where they're singing that everybody wants to rule the world song. And it. In it, they do, like, a montage of the greatest hits from Despicable Me. It feels like a very. Like, this is the end of Despicable Me.

And then the fourth one comes out.

Well, the first. The fourth one, it feels like there will be no more Despicable Me movies with these people, you know, like, they're like, we're done. We're done with this. They're all. They're all walking away from the franchise into the sunset, riding out on top.

Oh, they. They get the. He's got the baby. Gru Junior.

Yeah, it was.

Yeah, it was only the fourth highest grossing film, so it must not be that bad.

No, it's 2024. It's not good. I. My little one wanted to see it. And that's one of those. When you're a parent and you go to a really bad movie with a young child who really likes the movie, they're like, what'd you think? I'm like, yeah, I liked it. It was all right. You know, and you, like. You talk about the things that they thought were funny. And then when you get home, you talk to your wife, you're like, it was terrible.

It's like Decompress.

It was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life.

Debriefing. Yeah.

I'm just gonna say right now, Derek, you and I, parenting techniques.

Oh, really?

Yeah. If I think the mov. My kids will be like, oh, that was pretty good. Well, first of all, they don't really like one kid. Well, one kid. Pretty much every single movie that we've ever seen. Be like, so what you think? Yeah, it's all right. And then the other one, like, be like, well, what's your favorite character? He'll pick, like, the smallest, like, random character in the movie. But, like, yeah, if it's something that I'm like, that I think was bad. I was like, yeah, that pretty much sucked.

No, I. I did not do that. Because if they are excited about it or they're happy with something, I'm not gonna on their parade. So, like emoji movie, I've done it for.

Oh, you watch

your movie.

You're a saint.

I always be like, yeah, you know, I thought it was pretty funny. And I'll mention some stuff, you know, that they'd laughed at, but yeah, this shit's terrible, man.

You gotta show them spies in disguise.

I will never show this guys in disguise. The oldest one is too past is past caring about animated pigeons.

And what age is that exactly where you are. Stop caring about that.

I have no idea.

12. She's 13 now.

Oh, that doesn't seem. I don't think that's real because she's kind of interested.

She's moved on to more serious animated films with about maybe like owls or like.

Yeah, don't even bring up the movie.

There's a lot of editing now. Out.

Terry, you're cutting that out.

You forced me. You forced my hand.

Oh, come on.

You know what else I like? You ever see Storks?

Oh, yeah.

With Andy Samberg.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like that one too.

It's not a bad movie. You said it. But it's okay.

That store, it's.

It's mostly because they got that little pigeon that gets nice. Like how you like me now.

Okay, Very nice of me. I'm interested now.

I don't remember.

I like this idea.

Oh, God. We're having through the deep dive and it's been like 45 hours.

How far am I on this again?

Well, I think we're still in Taika Waititi.

We're on Jermaine. And I'm glad that we decided to talk about birds because he was an

one called Eagle versus Shark.

He was in an animated film called Rio.

Oh, was he in Rio? Really?

It's a bird movie about a pet maa who falls in love with some sort of independent bird. And the bird, they travel to Rio together or he follows her or something. I didn't know much about this. I watched a trailer and all it was was birds singing and dancing.

Who is Jermaine in the Rio? Oh, he's not the Rio is.

He is not Rio, because that's Jesse Eisenberg, I believe.

Is it really? When I think of like children's movies and celebrities voicing the characters, he is not one of them that I would want doing that.

I thought it was Andy Sandberg, but Yeah, I guess. Maybe it's just the iceberg.

This is pre. Andy Sandberg being big. Andy Saberg was the main one in Storks.

He loves that little pigeon. He likes pigeon movies. He.

Keith loves pigeons, traditionally.

I'm surprised he didn't pick that as her category this month.

Pigeon Pigeon movies.

Yep.

I'm like, I've got an idea for next month. So. Yeah, he played Nigel, if you know who that is. I don't.

No. No one knows who that is.

He was that in the first and second one. So Nigel returned.

Oh, he said Rio 2 as well.

Damn it.

And Rio is from the creators of Ice Age. If you're.

Oh, I hate those movies.

Come on. The first one's pretty good.

No, they're terrible.

Who can forget that little squirrel? The squirrel? You getting his acorn?

No, it's not a squirrel. We've discussed this in the past.

Yeah. And we all know it's our squirrel.

He's a scrap.

It's an ancient squirrel.

I think I hate Ice Age because of the collection of voice talent. That's a nice age.

You don't like Ray Romano.

I don't like Ray Romano. I don't care for John Leguizamo. I don't. I don't like what's his face.

The tiger guy.

Dennis Leary.

Yeah.

I don't care for these people. They're not like, oh, I gotta see movies with his people in them. Just can't.

That's what makes it an underdog. It rose above. It came together.

It does make. It makes an underdog in my eyes, for sure.

Yep. I remember liking that first one a lot. I've never seen any of the other ones.

There's like five of them, too.

Yeah, that keeps going.

There's more Ice Age movies than there was Ice Age.

If you watched all the Ice Age movies, it lasts longer than the whole Ice Age.

It feels like it. Yes.

They'll make those forever. Once people stop watching them, they'll stop making them. But so far, everybody just keeps doing it.

I guarantee I've never watched them. They should abide by my watching.

Once they bring Shrek back, they're gonna start bringing back all these other things.

There's another franchise I could do without.

There's also Shrek gets a pass, though, because it. It brought us some boots.

Now, Puss and Boots, the Last Wish.

That's a great film.

That's a very good movie.

Yeah. See, now, we might get that with Ice Age, but with the Little Squirrel.

Yeah, I bet.

Little Squirrel, the Last Wish.

No.

Okay. He just wants a nut. That's all he does.

Yeah, I hate that.

I mean, you know, they really advertise that too, because before, like a lot of movies, you'd see that. Little short of him trying to get his.

God, I hate it so much.

They really, like, tried to get that thing going. It paid off.

They wanted to be a franchise. That squirrel.

Yeah. I'm surprised they haven't tried to make do.

Kids like that.

I like them.

Well, Terry.

So he's also voiced Dr. Flesh Lump Eater in the BFG.

Oh, BFG. Big Gun. We've talked about this in the past.

Steven Spielberg's Big Gun.

Yes.

Well, never mind.

The boy finds a mysterious gun. Giant gun can kill anything in one hit. Yeah. It's actually a Big Friendly Giant. He introduces himself in the trailer as. You can call me the Big Friendly Giant, which seems really presumptuous. Yeah, he calls himself that. Interesting.

Yeah. Anybody that comes up with their own nickname.

Yeah. It's like you're trying too hard.

Yeah. When you're like, I'm the friend, Big Friendly Giant or I'm the rom com guy.

A couple examples. The King of Men is okay, I think.

The Rom Com Giant.

The Rom Com Giant.

I like that, though.

Well, that one sticks right there.

Rom Com.

Keith.

The Rom com giant.

The RCG.

And then of course, he played Dr. Gavin in Avatar Way. Water and Avatar, Fire and Ash.

What? Really?

These are. Yeah, I know. I had no idea. I've not seen either of those.

Me neither.

I haven't seen the Fire and Ash. I've seen the other, the water one, but I don't remember him in it.

Me neither, because I never saw him.

Yeah, I don't really have an urge to see them. There's a lot of. There's a big fan base for these. Apparently.

There is huge.

I'm not that into them.

I guess after Fire and Ash came out, I said, do I need to re watch Avatar and Avatar way of. And then watch Avatar Way of Water and then watch Avatar, Fire and Ash. And I looked at the run times

and I said, they're all like three hours long. Yeah.

Yes. I do not need to do this.

Nope, no need. No need. I say, do you remember when the

first Avatar movie came out and then there were people that were suffering from some sort of like, Pandora depression.

Yes.

Because they realized they could never live in a world like Pandora.

Because it was Unobtainium.

Yeah, it was.

It was there entertainment. What a great film. It was.

So it's called Unobtainium is laughable at best.

That seems like something they just made up to, like before we could figure out what the real name was and just they forgot to change it.

Yeah, they like TBD changed later Unobtainium, and then they stuck with it.

The. He was also in the first. Or he was in the sequel to Megan. Megan 2.0.

Megan 2.0?

Yes.

You kidding me?

I have not seen that one yet.

Me neither.

What are we talking about at this point? Jermaine. Clement.

Jermaine still. Jesus Christ.

There's lots of go over with this guy.

There's like three people in this entire movie.

Keith.

So yeah, he was in the sequel to Megan, which I did not see that. I wanted to.

Did you see Megan? Was it good?

Yeah, it was pretty good.

I never saw it.

The second one kind of is a shift and I think that's why I got a lot of like, negative negativities because it was a little different. Seemed like it was more of an action movie than a quote. It wasn't really that scary to begin with, to be honest, but it was more.

The first one, more like a quirky, like, tongue in cheek.

Yeah, it was supposed to be kind of goofy, for sure. Yeah. And this one, they have to resurrect the evil Megan robot to fight an even worse evil robot that was made by like a military defense contractor.

God tail as old as time again.

Yeah. So the only way to beat an evil robot is with another evil robot.

Yeah, that's what they always say.

Just like Terminator 2.

Agreed.

And honestly, it was giving me a lot of Terminator vibes. And I was like, you know what? If you want to make Megan more like Terminator, I'm okay with that.

I know what Megan is.

Yeah, we'll find out.

Megan Stallion.

But Megan thee Stallion from She Hulk fame.

Oh, God, don't even bring that up. You're gonna get a bunch of listeners emailing how that was horrible. I like that. I like that show.

I did too. And you know my. I went to south by Southwest in 2021. 2022 maybe, and there was like a VR Megan the Stallion experience you could go through. And I did it a lot of booty.

Wow. It was good.

But it was one of those things where.

Sounds good.

Yeah, it's one of those things where like, here's like a little pit with like 10 chairs in it and people with VR headsets on watching making the Stallion basically shake her ass in like, I could touch it sort of scenario. Right. It's like it's like right in your face.

Yeah.

And you're just watching people watch that.

I feel like that's a weird thing. So I'd want to be like, in a, you know, not like out in the open.

That's something you want to do by yourself. Right?

It's. And then you have the same experience as the people who saw the first avatar. The same, yes.

I just want to go back into the VR.

I can't live in a world where bigger the stallion is shaking her ass in my face.

I mean, it's the perfect world. Can't get much better than it was.

Really cool, though. But so I went there. I was dispatched by my work.

Oh, it was work funded. This.

It was work funded.

Work funded. Watching you see her shaker booty. And so any.

Because this is what I do. Well, I did. I don't do it anymore. But any sort of VR experience, I'm like, oh, how do they make this work? How they do this? I'm trying to. I'm trying to like, dissect it and like, figure out, like, the technique, technological work that went into making. Making the Stallion shake her ass in VR. And other people were there just getting boners. I'm there. Oh, you're there professionally, a professional work boner.

You were. You were examining it very thoroughly for different reasons. I see.

I'm looking at the pixels and trying to figure out how like, they. They made like these. These voxel recreations of 3D space. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Get that ass right in front of me. Weird.

Get that ass. Shake that ass.

Yeah. Well, show me what you want.

It was good.

Yeah, that sounds interesting.

It was awesome.

Makes me want to get a VR headset, I guess.

Oh, we did it, Terry. You did it. You brought us closer to Eagle V, not v. Eagle vs. Shark than we could ever imagine.

Way close.

The V is for legal purposes and for Batman v Superman.

Yeah. There's only two instances it's allowed.

It is out of the. Every other acceptable use is versus versus.

Yeah. Because it needs to be some professional in the legal sense and it also needs to sound professional. And Batman, Superman duke it out.

Yes. Legally and physically.

I mean. Yeah. When they go to court, they do have one section where they have to fight each other in hand to hand

combat and drink piss.

Each of them have to do it. I mean, it's only fair.

It is only fair. But the thing, it's totally unfair is Superman is able to turn that piss into like water with his, like he

visions until it boils. Yeah.

Yeah. He just Boils the piss into water.

Well, if you boil for long enough, gets straight up. Yeah, but, you know, you got to respect the, like, the commitment Batman has.

Batman. You have, like a piss pill or something like that on his belt.

Yeah, they've tried to frisk him, but you can never get everything off Batman.

No, he's got, like, a little pill, he drops in there, turns the piss into, like, you know, Fanta or something.

Bad juice. Yep.

Pineapple Phantom Pineapple.

Fanta. Of all the Fantas. Yes.

Bats love pineapples.

Yes, I heard that about Bats. All right, well, you know what? I heard about Eagle versus Shark.

I heard about that too, at one point.

We need to talk about this movie. There's a lot to talk about this movie, in all honesty. Yeah, but. Well, let's talk about our viewing of Eagle, Eagle versus Shark.

I gotta say, Terry, I think this is a perfect pick for you.

Oh, really?

Because. Because I think the main character, Lily, she's like a female version of, like, the dude from Ape.

Or. Wait, what?

Like, like in her awkwardness.

I see. Okay. I was ready. She's a female version of me. I was like. Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Just in it.

Her.

And that. It. If she did a movie with that. The Jonathan. Whatever his name is from Relaxer in the. In the eight movie. Like, they seem like they would get along together. They seem like they're. That they. They're both on that type of awkward vibe.

I don't know. She doesn't seem like a person on the edge, though. It's sad that she's getting, like, rejected by people at work or whatever, but, like, never to me. She didn't feel, like, mentally like. No, this was gonna push her to violence or something.

She's just weird.

She's weird, but she's so friendly.

Yeah. Not the violence end of things. Just the weirdness level of the whole thing.

Yeah.

It immediately reminded me of those other characters that we've seen in recent weeks.

I loved Lily.

Yeah. First.

But at the end of the movie, I was like, she's awesome. I love this person. Like, if I met her, I would like her.

Yeah. She seems like a perfectly nice person I would be friends with now.

Jared. Is that his name?

Yeah.

That dude sucks.

I hate Jared.

He sucked.

He's like a worse version of Lily in every way.

Yeah.

Because he's still awkward and weird, but, like, in a bad way.

In the worst way possible.

And she's in, like, you know, obviously he comes into. There all into the restaurant. She's Working at all the time and. And thus, like, she's into him because she sees him come in every day and he just looks like such an idiot every time he's walking in there. Anyway, her vibe seems to change as soon as she, like, you know, hooks up with him. Suddenly she's got, like, you know, not so much like the Spider Man 3 strut to her, but, like, you know, she's walking around. Look, she got, you know, she's checking out. You know, other people are noticing her. All of a sudden, she's got her confidence. Yeah. Yeah. And that kind of. Just kind of rolls with her for, like, the rest of the movie.

I feel like she's, like, the. More, like, adult of the two, too. She's, like the responsible one. Like, she's like, that's something. Like, that's weirder than she is, you know, so it's like she's. I feel like that might help too. Where, you know, like, sometimes when you. At least for me, I would do, like, class projects, and I would hate to do public speaking, but I'd be teamed up with somebody who hated it worse than me, and I'd be like, oh, I got this. You know, maybe it's kind of like that, like, where it's like she's like, oh, this guy's a real weirdo. So I can. I can, you know, I can navigate this easily.

I liked her because she was the most human of the two.

Yes. Like, she felt realistic.

She's very personable in a way. And, like, there's things that are relatable about her. It's like, I like her. She. She wants. Good. She loves her brother. I love. I love her. And her brother's dynamic.

Yes. Yeah. They get along so well.

So funny.

Like, terrible impressions. And she's laughing the whole time.

Her brother. Right. That whole night. I like that dynamic. And she wants the best out of Jared. Like, she wants to see the best out of. Even at the end, we're like, oh, God, she should just, like, run from this guy. The heart wants. Wants what it wants sort of scenario. Right. And you get it, and you kind of see that, but it's like she's so willing to see the better part of people. Like, she sees why he's broken because of his dad. Sucks ass, too, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, the whole family seems to have some issues going on. And then her spending. But, like, her spending time with all those people, she starts to realize, oh, well, okay, Jared's got problems. And, like, you know, she can help him Sort some of them out and that he's not just the complete and utter. You know, a complete, like, unhelpable. He's. He. He's. He's working through stuff of his own as well. And she kind of comes to realize that when she gets, like, stuck having to stay at the family house for, like, a couple extra days.

I agree.

Yeah. I feel like she, like, engraved herself into his family better than he ever did.

Yes.

Like, which is.

Yeah.

I feel like that's part of the reason why he gets kind of, like. He kind of, like, throws everything apart. Rand almost feels random, like, when he brings her there. Then, like, within a couple days, he breaks up with her.

And, like, everything he's telling. Like, he's telling her is just, like, there's a lie for all of it, like, from how his brother died to, like, that his mom. He's like, no, she's not dead. She's just a lesbian now.

Well, yeah. Well, I mean, he says the same. His dad says, like, he idolizes his dad. And the reason he breaks up with her because he's like, what do you think of my new. It's a beetle. Hey, what do you think of my new girlfriend? And she's like. He's like. He breaks up with her right after that.

Right.

It's just like. I don't know. He's just a. He's a dick. I just don't like him at all.

I don't think, like, he ever redeems himself for me.

No, he doesn't. But she redeems him.

Yeah. She makes him better slowly. Like.

Yeah.

Like, at the end, he finally plays that weird horse game. And, like. Yeah. That's supposed to show you that he's changed, I guess. But it's not enough. Not.

Not enough at all. But I do like that she's terrible at this horse game.

Yeah. She always. Never sees the horse.

Horse. Damn. You see the horse so fast every time.

And I like her reaction. She's always.

Damn it.

Damn it.

I really like her as a person. Like, I wanted to, like, befriend her while watching this movie.

Yeah. I was like, nobody likes you. I don't know why.

I don't know why.

Yeah. Everybody's mean to her. I'm like, she's not. Like, she's a little awkward, but, like, that's not a bad thing.

But not.

So Jared's family is really nice to her.

Yeah.

But, like, her work hates her.

Were they actually really firing somebody, or did they everyone Her? Yeah. And they're like, yeah, we. They put all her name in the. In the basket. I like the party she goes to where everyone has to dress like their favorite animal, so then they can play a person versus person fighting game.

Fighting game. And then throw shoes at the one dude.

Yeah.

That was really funny.

He's got a helmet.

He's, like, cowering in the corner, like.

Yeah.

He's like. Does not look like he actually volunteered for this at all.

So.

The movie's so weird. Go ahead.

They're playing like. They're playing like a. Like a Mortal Kombat game, but it's like, with like, just normal people. Yeah. And she's. She kicks ass until, like, she gets to play him, and then she kind of just lets him win.

Yeah. Because she's just sitting there staring at him.

She probably could have won. She had the advantage at first.

Yeah. But she just stopped playing. You know, this movie is like Napoleon Dynamite.

Yeah. Yeah.

And Hot Rod, Never seen. Has a hot rod sort of quality to it. Like adults just doing dumb stuff. It's like this weird amalgam between those. And probably some other stuff too. Like.

Yeah, I was getting some major Napoleon Dynamite vibes out of this.

Yes. Everything's awkward in this movie to the point where I'm like, I don't know if I don't watch anymore, Bryce, I watch the rest. But, like, I was cringy at one point.

I, like, it felt like a bit much at times to me. Yeah.

Yes.

I don't know. It's just. It's just all. With Jared mostly. I like Lily. I think if it had just been more focused on her. Not necessarily, like, maybe just like a normal guy that she was trying to date or something. Like, why does it have to be this weirdo? I don't know.

But she's so weird herself. Right. That, like, this. In a movie world, a normal person wouldn't be interested unless it was like, she's all that scenario where it's like the jock turns, takes off the glasses off the nerd girl and she becomes hot sort of scenario.

Right.

And where it's. Where it's like taking a weird person and making them, quote, unquote, normal.

Yeah.

Where it. She just stays weird the whole time.

Yeah.

But she seems. It's like a different type of weird. It seems like as the movie goes on, like. Yeah, she's. She's real awkward and different. Her working at the fast food place and, like, when you first, like, are introduced to her, not. It's. It's a different type of weird than when she's hanging out, you know, at his family's house and stuff like that. There's still. There's still like, an awkwardness to the whole thing. But, like, it's. I can't really explain fully what it is, but it's. It's a different type of awkwardness. Like, again, she seems really unsure of herself for a while, and then she seems very sure, and then she starts to question things again. But that's when she just. She's kind of stuck and starts hanging out with this family that, like, seems to like her and everything like that. Even if.

Yep.

Even if he doesn't like her. Like, she's made friends with everybody and they're all like, oh, we can see why you broke up with. With him. She's like, I didn't break up with him. What are you talking about?

But you would have.

Yeah, she should probably.

Yes. Because he's. He sucks.

I mean, maybe he's grown by the end of the movie as well.

No, he has at all. I don't think he's. Shelly gives the ass beat because he decides to fight a man in a wheelchair and still gets his ass beat. And it doesn't change him at all.

The only change is that he doesn't think the game. The cow game, is stupid.

Yeah.

Or the horse game. Not the horse game.

Yeah. It goes from hating it to liking it.

But, like, that's not enough. It's not enough.

Yeah. Once they get back to. Once they get back to, like, wherever. Like the. The city that they're living in originally, once they get back there, they're not gonna. They won't be together very long.

No. Because she'll realize she's better than him. I hope so. At least. Fingers crossed.

She didn't go back and date his dad.

What?

No, he's not gonna. Dad was just as bad as he was. His dad was in a wheelchair and didn't need to be in a wheelchair.

He walks off at one point.

Yeah.

Several times. He sucked just as much as his son did. And then the one son that they loved killed himself.

I mean, that's.

That's.

That's why the dad seems to suck. I mean, he's. They're all processing this issue of the. The brother. They killed himself, which is.

The whole family kind of sucks, to be honest. Except for his. His daughter.

Except for when she creepily was staring in the tent.

Yeah.

But she's a kid, though.

That's creepy.

It's a kid. I love that scene where dude's playing the bass. And she's dancing.

Yes. She's just playing some, like, thrash metal. That was awesome.

They're in a band together. He plays guitar and I dance.

I love that little kid. I was like, this little kid needs to be the hero. But she never really did much beyond that.

Yeah, I liked her. She was. She was one of the more normal ones. And then there's a guitar kid was normal. I don't know who he was. How was he related to them?

Cousin.

Cousin. She was. The other kids. The. The sister and weird husband's son.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

He had some great shirts. Some Megadeth shirts.

Yeah. Like, there are people in this movie that I liked and. But the. The whole of this movie was more cringy. Napoleon Dynamite and Napoleon Dynamite's nothing but cringe.

Yeah. And I like Napoleon Dynamite.

Me too.

Need to watch it again.

I like this movie, too. I didn't think it was bad.

Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't bad. Just. Yeah, I got. I pushed the. The. The extremes of the cringe, I guess. Yeah.

I did laugh quite a few times in this movie. And I don't know if it was, like, uncomfortable laughter or, like, really laughing at stuff, but I laughed quite a bit.

It is funny. I think it's funny at times, for sure.

Did we do it?

I think so.

Do we get through Eagle? I always forget the order. It's Eagle versus Shark.

Yes.

And Shark is the clear, better part of the pair.

Yeah.

Eagle sucked, man, so many times.

Yep. I have a root for Eagle every. Or not Eagle. I'd root for Shark every time.

Shark every time. And Shark's brother. Those two. I'm gonna make a shepherd's pie. I love that. I don't know why I love that so much. I just did.

Draws a little cartoon for the day. The cat. You inspired me to write this.

It is such a dumb.

Yeah.

Thing. Like, you guys are like Heathcliff weird.

It's like a heath of commerce. There's no context for what's happening.

But I like the weirdness of these two.

I want a whole movie with just them hanging out.

Yeah. Because they enjoyed each other's company. They were nice people to one another. I don't know how much of a story you get out of them, but they were in fun to watch. All right, we did it. We got through Eagle versus Shark. What'd you guys think?

It was entertaining.

Yeah, I thought it was all right. I think, like I said, the. The awkwardness was a bit much for me. I didn't. I just didn't Like, Jared. And I think, like, you know, I think you mentioned this last week, Derek, where a lot of rom coms have, like, the main. The man is always horrible. Yeah. And this. It kind of proves that point. I really just did not like his character. Like he was sometimes, but the comedy did not redeem the character. You know, sometimes they're like, oh, he's so bad that he's funny. You know, to me, it was like, oh, God, it kind of got exhausting. But I really like Lily's character, and I think that there are some good parts in this. It was enjoyable for the most part. I just. I don't think I loved it.

Yeah, I didn't love it either, but I did enjoy it. And I was in love with Lily by the end. I was like, I want to be your friend. You are awesome. I like you. You're weird. But I kind of want to be around you and your.

Oh.

When they're sitting there, like, I can ask. I can ask. What's his brother's name? What's her brother's name?

Darren, I think.

So I can ask Darren if he can be right. And he's sitting in the room with him.

He's just watching them.

Yeah.

To me, that's so funny. Like, there's just delightfully weird. I like that. And where Eagle is just a dick and it's just too much. It's too much for me. Lily, though, Superstar, I think Lily every day of the week. Wow.

Yeah.

Well, we know what we thought. What did the Internet have to say on April 4th of 2012? That's a long time ago. Gumby65 had this to say.

Gumby, you. Was he born in 65? It sounds like yes. He knows who Gumby is.

I'm Gummy, God damn it.

He was once a little green slab

of clay walking any book with his pony pal. Pokey, too.

Yeah. I love Gumby when I was a kid and the fact that 65 and not 69, he was born in 65 or they were born in 65. If you can last the first 10 minutes, you'll love it. That's not a very good endorsement.

You have to endure a horrible first 10 minutes.

But after that, well, I love the movie boy so much that I thought I should look at the movie Taika Waititi made a few years earlier, Eagle versus Shark. The first ten minutes had me searching for my remote control. I just could not get into the opening scene. But my advice is to stick with the one a few minutes longer. It does get better. And you Will want to see what happens next. There are definite hints of boy in this movie. Is Boy a movie? Taika Watiti.

Yes. Yes.

So the deep dive didn't cover it,

but I had a lot of other important things. A lot of more important things to talk about.

Almost as though writer slash director Taika Waititi was testing the water to hone his skills. It's not a Hollywood movie polished to within an inch of its life. It's small and raw and easy to enjoy. I love movies like this.

Wow.

You see is what you get. It will give you a good laugh and a happy ending. That's a big promise at the end there. 1 found it helpful. 2 not so much 10 out of 10.

It's more of a like optimistic ending, not a happy ending.

Not to be outdone, on January 8th of 2015, Tech005 had this to say. Eagle v Shark Disappointing.

Oh.

As has been stated before, this is in effect the story of the relationship between a man and a woman in country New Zealand.

Okay.

It would be kind to describe them as social misfits. However, in reality they appear to be people who, whilst ostensibly kind, who have very low IQs.

I don't know.

I was going with that. No.

People that throw IQs like that. Their ignorance of life then presents situations and issues. These situations are sometimes dramatic, never comedic, but always pitiful. This is not just the situation with the main characters, but all the supporting roles have the same faults. Almost like the theme or tone. The creators of this movie are New Zealanders.

Okay, that means it for everybody then.

I do not know if the underlying theme of this movie is a a social, a space, a S O C I A L commentary on rural New Zealand. In making that comment, it is in no way meant to be offensive to New Zealanders.

Huh?

It is just that in an intended statement in the film in the that regard is lost on outsiders.

It's not as I don't think it's a cultural specific.

It's just. It's just awkward. Awkwardness transcends culture.

Yeah. Watching the Poly diamond, like we said, it's basically the same vibe.

It is. I also gained the impression that the film lost its way and did not know what it wanted to be. Semicolon drama, comedy, etc,

the other genres.

Unfortunately the film is too depressing and pitiful to watch or enjoy. Nine Found it helpful. Seventeen, not so much. One out of ten.

Way too harsh. Way too harsh.

Yeah.

I knew this is a movie while watching it. I wasn't sure what Keith was gonna think of It. When I was watching it because of the. Just how it rolled.

He got Ape vibes out of it, so that's not a good sign.

I know which movie he was.

No, no, not the vibes of the whole movie. I just think that those two characters would hang out and, like, get along together.

The Lily character is so much better than the Ape character. And the. The.

It's just the awkward. The overall awkwardness of that they. That they all have.

If Lily meant the ape guy, I think she would help him out of his phone.

Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. I would rather say helpful person.

I'd rather see a romantic comedy between Ape.

No, but the vibe was supposed to be the. The. The awkwardness of. You want to see Ape for Shark?

Yeah, I'd rather see April Shark than.

No, it's just the.

Over.

The. Just the overall awkwardness of the character. Like, because the. The guys from Ape and Relaxer are just in. So insanely awkward to me.

Jared would fit in really well in both of those movies.

Oh, yeah. Yes.

I agree.

I can see Jared showing up at the relaxer guy's apartment and being annoying.

Yes.

Huh.

Anyway. All right. We did it. We got through week two of M5. We're just cruising through this year.

Yeah. It's crazy that we're on M5.

I know. The sun was up till 7:45 today. I'm like, what doesn't it know it's

got an early bedtime?

It needs to go to bed already. Come on.

I know.

Yeah. It doesn't even know tomorrow. We're on Fubbler time. Yeah.

So Fumbler times. Fumbler Times. F the time. That's for sure.

We still got seven more months this Fumbler year. All right, well, we did it. We got through DTF Y2, M5, W2. That means week three is upon us. And that's a me week.

Congratulations.

Me isn't Derek Now. When Keith went out to us and said, hey, I'm gonna get you guys out of your comfort zones. We've been too easy. We've been trying stuff that just. It's like we're just, like, coasting through life with our episodes. It's like, all right, I'm gonna take this as a challenge. And there's a movie I wanted to watch, but it was unavailable on any streaming service, was four hours long, and was Japanese. I'm like, well, good Lord, I don't remember what was called. I'm gonna find that list. I found a list on letterboxd of the best rom coms. It's like number three, maybe. And it was a four hour Japanese movie about an erection.

Oh, that doesn't. Yeah, if you have one for four

hours, that's my wheelhouse right there, right?

Yeah, that's too. That's too safe. That's too safe for us, for our erection.

Movies are your wheelhouse.

So it's a category. That's a future category.

We're going in the Wayback Machine. Oh, go on the way back Machine. We're doing Harold and Maude.

Oh, all right.

That's an old one, isn't it?

From the 77, I think.

All right.

Well, we did it. Poos. We did it. We got through another. I don't know how we did it because it's so out of our comfort zone.

Another romcom week wasn't easy, but we did it.

Keith, I'm gonna give you about that because you set it up as like. We were just like skating. We're doing.

We were.

We were in easy mode.

Even after we watched one of the worst films you've ever seen. Ap.

An easy mode, though.

Terry, listen, it was. It was. It was difficult for two of us. But the king of romcoms is. He's. He's been. He's been floating by

self. I meant to. I'm gonna queue up that clip and make a little soundboard so I could just like.

Just press it.

Yeah, One little clip.

It's all it takes.

Yeah.

And we're here. Yeah. That will never let you live it down, Keith.

No, I. Only because you called back to something you don't remember saying. Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

And didn't remember the call back either, until I just heard it in the episode. It's like,

oops.

I remember saying that twice.

The beauty of it.

Harold Ahmaud.

All right, Harold. A mod for next week. It's an oldie, but apparently a goodie. I guess that leaves us with nothing to do but to end this the way we end everything.

Everything, indeed.

What's up, hoties? It's Megan thee stallion, and guess who's in VR. They told me to tell y' all that it was sleek, but I'm gonna just tell y' all it's some real hot girl shit. And if y' all ain't coming, y' all bumming, bitch. Y' all need to come look at this. Come rock with me at my first VR show. Coming to a city near you. Thanks for listening to Fumbling Through Film. New episodes drop every Thursday. Got feedback or questions? Email [email protected] you can see our films to fumble before you tumble into the grave and other musings on letterbox that fumble through film. The through is T. Hru. You can also follow Keith on Instagram at KG3030Lives and on LetterboxDG3030. Terry is on LetterboxDary2099. Derek is on LetterboxD Derek the number nine and then the word nine. All original music is done by the Dr. Dre of Kansas, Terry. So hit him up for them bangers. Our new podcast logo is done by the delightful and talented Sanjay Vicky Nayak. You can find her on Instagram at Einstein. That's Einstein with a K in there. We'll see you next week as we keep on fumbling. Did I ever tell you my Komodo dragon story?

Oh, go ahead, please.

Ah, Derek, you always blame me for bringing up these weird high school stories. Nobody else knows.

This is not a high school story. So when my daughter, my oldest daughter was maybe like three or four, we would watch. I, I swear I've told this story before, but maybe not here. We used to watch like nature documentaries and stuff like that. I used to watch them all the time. It was like, they're like my, my, my zen watch. Like I gotta mellow out. I'm gonna watch nature documentaries. And so we're sitting there, I'm like, well, let's watch. We'd watch that, that Bear Grylls choose your own adventure on Netflix at one time. And I was like, oh, let's watch this animal documentary and turn on. It's about Komodo dragons is the very first one. And there's a scene where a Komodo dragon is eating a deer.

Oh my God.

Like a baby deer.

And I look over a doe, a female deer.

Well, I, I had no idea this was going to happen. I hadn't watched this one before. I look over at my three, maybe four year old daughter and she's mortified, Mortified. And I'm just like, oh no. Like this is not something she, I wanted to expose to her at this time.

Yes.

It's something I felt like I should share with her at a later time when she's older.

Four year old is a little early to find dead deer. I feel like, yes.

Yeah. Watching a lizard eat a deer, it was, it was mildly terrifying to me. And I was, I'm grown man.

I look over plan for traumatizing her

so I can do my traumatizer.

You gotta do it in slow doses. You can't just throw it all out there.

Those parenting books tell you a very specific time and way.