Indie AF: Ape (2012)

Gather together from the cosmic reaches of the universe. Here in this great screening room with comfortable recliners are the most powerful forces of good ever assembled. Keith.

My name is actually spelled K, E, Y, T. Terry.

Ostriches are fine. They're mean, but they're fine. But I'd rather just have a horse. Just give me a horse. I don't care if they fly around, I'll just get on a horse.

Derek. Yeah. If I were an exorcist, I'd be like a freelance exorcist. Or like an exorcist consultant. And the power twins, Zap and Jordan with their magical lemur snort, dedicated to fumbling their way through movies one forgotten gem at a time. This week we watch the 2012 surreal dark comedy Ape. This is Fumbling through film.

Hey, man, did you get that message I left?

You didn't get it?

What? Oh, come on, man. I need that money you owe me. They're gonna turn off my cable.

Don't worry about it.

You have the vcr.

What? The tapes of the Jerry Lewis telethon?

No way.

I'm not doing that again. Come on, you owe me that money, man. It's mine.

What money? I literally cannot wait to hear what this is about.

Wait, what does that mean?

I can't wait to hear why I owe you money.

No, but you said you literally can't wait, right?

I really can't wait.

Whatever, man. Look, you owe me money for that joke book that I sold you. That was all original material and I don't even tell those jokes anymore because I sold it to you.

Dude, those jokes, they stunk, okay? I don't use them.

What?

The cranking up the base for books on tape? Man, that bit is hilarious.

Oh, I would never use that one. So dumb.

It's not dumb. It's all in delivery.

No.

Delivery and material. Okay? It can't be one or the other.

Oh, thank you.

Hello, and welcome to another, one of a kind, genre defining, brand new episode of Fumbling Through Film. The only show that dares to bring together threes due to Three.

Three dude.

Three dudes. To talk about movies. I had a tough time there. Porky Pig did for a second. But these aren't just any movies, though.

Nope, they are.

No, it's because they're the ones we've missed, overlooked, or feel are simply worth revisiting. I sat and stared in the mirror today and I said that over and over again. And I said, that's any movie. God damn it. Now that.

That's the conclusion you came To.

And I said it a bunch of different ways, too. It's like, oh, the ones we've missed, overlooked, or feel there's something worth revisiting.

Her and the reflection confirmed.

Reflection confirmed.

All right.

Yes, Derek. These are any movies. I said, hot damn. Thanks, reflection. I high fived it and walked out.

You can't really trust the reflection because it always has the opposite.

It doesn't say the opposite, just says it backwards. Oh, says it right to left instead of left to right.

How do you say that? That's any movie. Pretty good. All right.

Anyway, my name is Derek. I'm a fubbler. Joining me here in the bubble Dome, a reclaimed planetarium that we turned into a screening room. Yes, we're only prime minister of fumbling at film, Keith.

Well, I. I really let my mind go that. You told me. Just let my mind go.

I did.

Jesus. That was off mic.

That was pre recording. I said that. No, you.

Oh, yeah. Wow. Well, anyway, I've been told them I'm a prime minister of fumbling. I must be K. Bumbler extraordinaire. There we go. I think I got it there.

We're back on track. Yeah. That little one. It was. Could be my reflection in the mirror, but it isn't. I'm pretty positive he's a doctor of Kansas. He's Terry.

It could be that I'm the reflection and that Derek has to reverse my audio for every episode.

Yeah, it takes forever. That's why some episodes have come out late recently.

He has to do a word by word.

Yeah, I know. It takes a very long time by hand. Well, do it by hand.

It's really annoying because, like, it's like you've reversed the audio, but it's like you have to, like, flip it as well. Like, it starts. My beginning is at the end and your beginnings at the front. So I have. You have to, like, edit it back forwards.

I do have to do that.

It's really nice of you, though, to include the Mirror Dimension folk into your podcast, which I'm part of.

That sounds like something the Mirror Dimension folk might say.

Yeah, we like it. Let me just say the podcast is a big hit in Mirror Dimension.

Does that mean it's not it?

No, I mean, it's a hit. Okay. Okay.

Well, you know what else is a hit in any dimension? This podcast, not just the Mirror Dimension. Even though the Mirror Dimension, I do

appreciate their support in some ways. Who's to say my dimensions, The Mirror Dimension, your guys's dimensions.

We could be the Mirror Dimension. Yeah, you could be the. The forward dimension. We're forward.

We're Dimension Prime. And you're actually.

Damn. All this time I thought I was part of prime, but I guess not. Anyway, people dig our podcast. It's a big hit, so we should tell them what it is we do here.

Just remind them.

Yeah, it's just to remind them in case it's your first time here. Anyway, every week we watch movies, but not just any movie. Heck no. Every month, one of us chooses a theme, a genre, a guiding light, some sort of little coupon handed out on the sidewalk to get me to come in. And then we choose a movie that adheres to those coupons. Or Guiding Lights.

That's right.

And this month was a me month, Derek month. And inspired by stumbling across a random post on social media by a person I didn't follow who was also a filmmaker who made a movie, I decided, hey, we're going to do indie AF movies this month. And I had the aforementioned person that made the social media post on for my first week, which was Big Bad Betty.

Yes. Podcast first. Bringing a director on an actual podcast first.

It's our first time we've had a guest on this podcast and he was the director creator of the movie we watched, so it made sense to have him on.

It wasn't like breaking and genre defined

King of comedy or something like that.

Yeah, we almost got Scorsese on, though.

Yeah, we almost did get Scorsese. We tried.

Yeah, maybe next time.

Yeah, maybe next time.

I'm kind of glad we didn't, though. I think. I think this is Justin, right? I think he's a better interview than the Marty would have been corses.

He almost joined for Big Bad Betty,

but he said he wanted to. I said, get out of here. The bricks, Marty.

We actually had to kick him out. Yeah, we had to kick him out.

I gotta change the zoom link. He keeps popping in.

I hope he doesn't join this one, huh?

And then Keith followed that up the second week with Hundreds of Beavers. Hundreds of Beavers.

Probably our first silent movie, basically.

First. Not probably. It definitely was a first dialogueless movie. However, it did.

They did have some words.

99 dialogues.

Yeah, it has the least amount of dialogue of any movie that's for sure, that we've watched.

I think it was our first black and white one, wasn't it?

No, we watched the Snake. Oh, God. Yeah.

Now we hit our quota. One black and white movie per season.

Oscar. Oscar. Almost winning Snake Pit.

Yes. And then. So that means this week is a Terry Week. That's right. Terry, what have you given us?

I picked ape from 2012.

Ape from 2012. Now, before we talk about our viewing of APE from 2012, before we even do a deep dive into ape from 2012, did any of us have any previous knowledge, history or experience with Abe from 2012, thinking back 2012 or was.

No, no.

Oh, I was tangentially familiar. I would say I've watched some of this tangentially. Tangentially, I'd heard of it because I'd watched a couple other movies by this guy, but I did not know much about it besides he directed it.

I had never heard of it. I never even seen the word ape before.

Wait, really?

I'm not familiar with what it even means there.

Franchise.

Planet of the Planet of Them Things.

Them Things. Damn dirty them things.

Anyway, so that's what it was. We're watching. We watched Ape from 2012 this week. Now Keith, you and I, our work here is done. We sit back and relax.

Not quite done.

Not quite done. But for the, for the immediate, for the immediate time because Terry is going to take us deeper than we could have or closer to than we could have ever imagined. To ape from 2012 and another patent pending Fumblers deep dive.

That's right. It's time we're going to talk about Ape. So I'll give you some background about Apex. Basically, this movie is about a struggling comedian who kind of becomes unhinged as it goes on. There's a longer synopsis on IMDb, but I'm not gonna read the whole thing.

Yeah, that synopsis was written by somebody that was just really into this movie, I think.

Yeah, they went.

Somebody or somebody that was in it.

No, into it. Like it's. It's like six sentences long. It's not a log line, it's this. Almost like a book report.

Yeah, I'm not going to read it all, but yeah. Struggling comedian, lowest on the totem pole and he starts to become unhinged.

Yes.

And he likes fire and explosions.

Yes.

So this movie was directed by Joel Patrickis. Like I said, I'm kind of familiar with this guy. He's an indie filmmaker from Michigan. He actually teaches filmmaking at Grand Value State University. I've seen a couple of his movies. The one that got me interested in his work was Vulcan is Adora. It was randomly recommended to me on Amazon prime at one point and it's actually his latest full length feature film. It came out in 2024. Clicked on it because the name was just weird and insane.

Where does this fall in his. Like, so that's like 2024. And that's 2020. Is this, like, his.

This is his first full length. Yep, this is his first full length. It's sort of hard to say. Vulcan is Adora is about a couple friends who. They go out into the woods to carry out a mysterious pact. It's pretty good. I liked it a lot, actually. It stars Joel himself. Joel Patrickus. He's in it alongside Joshua Berg, who stars in Ape as well. Okay. Joshua Berg. He's a frequent collabor collaborator with Joel Patrikus, and we'll get into his stuff later. But after watching Vulcan as Adora, I really liked it and I decided to watch some more of his stuff. So the other movie I watched by him was the Alchemist Cookbook from 2016.

I've heard of that movie.

Yeah, it's. I clicked on that one also, because I thought the name was kind of cool. The premise is pretty interesting. So it's a guy. He's suffering from, like, delusions of fortune. He's a hermit. He hides out in the woods, and he's trying to crack some mysterious code or al. Alchemy. Alchemy. Mystery. I don't know how to say that. Okay. But maybe the price is too high for what he's trying to do. It's one of those movies where you're, like, not really sure if it's, like, if he's a reliable narrator or not. Like, how much of this is actually working or not. And it's a pretty isolated film as well. It takes place pretty much in the woods. Has, like, two or three people in it max. It was pretty good. I didn't like as much as Vulcan is Adora, but it was still good. He's had a couple other feature films I have not seen yet. One is called buzzard from 2014.

I think I've heard of that one too, to be honest.

Yeah. And it's actually a prequel to Vulcan as Adora. Those got the same characters in it. It's about a scam artist. He's using bogus checks, and he gets paranoid that people are trying to catch him, so he runs to Detroit.

Runs physically running.

Physically runs his whole way to Detroit. Who knows? Maybe he lives in Detroit. Might not be that far of a run. The other feature that he did was called relaxer from 2018, and this one is interesting. The premise is a man. He is challenged to never leave the couch until he can beat the 256th level of Pac Man. He takes up the challenge to heart. And he will not leave the couch no matter what. Unfortunately, the Y2K apocalypse happens and he still will not leave his couch to keep playing Pac man while the apocalypse is happening around him. So. Sounded pretty cool. Sounds like an interesting idea. And I think that's kind of a theme with this guy's movies. At least that I found is he's got some pretty good premises usually. So Joshua Berg, he plays the main character Trevor in this film. He's been in all the movies that I mentioned earlier besides the Alchemist Cookbook. He was not in that one. The biggest film he was in is the Revenant. Really? He played Stubby Bill.

Stubby Bill, Classic character, Stubby Bill. I love the Revenant.

Yeah.

You've never seen the Revenant, Keith.

Oh. Oh, Jesus. Leonardo DiCaprio versus a bear.

That's a good.

It's like three hours long or something like that, isn't it?

It's a long one.

It is long. Yeah.

That's. I, I have trouble finding time for long movies that nobody else in my family would get to watch with me at that point in time. Like, you know, even now I don't think my kids, my oldest son wouldn't even enjoy that one. And I know my wife didn't want to see it either, so that really didn't leave me much time to see it.

It's good. And it's got what's his face in it? Oh yeah. Or Venom. Tom Hardy. Yeah. Yeah, he's really good in that movie.

Yes, yes. That's actually is a really good.

Yeah, it's an outstanding movie. You know what? I believe it's being re released.

What?

It's like it's 10 year anniversary or something like that coming back to theaters. Yeah, for like a couple weeks coming up.

I don't think I've seen it.

That's worth the trip right there. I saw it in theaters and I was like, oh boy.

Yeah, it's good. It's. Lena stars Leonardo DiCaprio. He gets attacked by a bear and has to survive in the wilderness and catch back up with his like hunting party or something.

There's more to it than that. But that's the, the bear scene is the big takeaway.

Like they leave him to for dead at some point. Yeah, it's. There's a lot going on. There's a lot to the premise. More than meets the eye.

Yeah. God, it's good. Good flick.

Really good. By the guy who directed it. Directed Birdman. Yeah.

Then that's a Movie I've never seen. It's on my list, but I've never watched it.

So. One other movie that he was in that stood out to me was called Cosmic Dawn.

So Don.

Yeah, Don is in D, A W, N.

Spell it again.

D, A, W, N. Oh, I thought you said don't.

Or dong.

I couldn't.

Sure what you said.

Cosmic.

I'm on board with seeing Cosmic Dawn Or Cosmic Dong.

Cosmic Dong. Would. I still would be talking about it if that was on here.

Yeah.

Wasn't sure what you said. Cosmic Dawn.

The time of day in the morning. Dawn.

I think it was Cosmic Dong. He would have mentioned that before. The Revenant.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I wouldn't be talking about the Revenant. Yeah. But yeah, Cosmic Dawn. It's about a kid who witnesses an alien abduction and ends up joining UFO cult.

You know what? All three titles work for that premise as well.

Yep.

It's just like what that kid sees exactly. Changes slightly every time. Yeah. So from the trailer, you know, it looks like things maybe start to go wrong when you join the cult. Name still really matches every time. If I joined a cult called the Cosmic Dong, I would. I don't know.

That's a really different type of cult than the other.

My expectations are a lot different. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, going in.

Cosmic dawn is the biopic about the guy running the cult.

Cosmic dawn of the Cosmic Dong. Yeah.

The Cosmic dawn of the Cosmic Dong.

Yeah.

I can't even say it because they all sound the same. Cosmic Dong. Colon. The Cosmic Dawn. I can't say it. The Cosmic dawn story.

Yeah.

Dawn of the Cosmic Dong. Dong. I just can't do it.

That's okay.

I'll get it by the end of the episode, I promise.

You keep practicing. You'll get there. Things go wrong, the cult may not be who they appear to be.

Yeah.

It looks like maybe they're aligned with the aliens in some way. I don't know. Oh, like there's a lot of trippy stuff starts to happen. It could just be drugs. I don't know.

Interesting.

Who's to say? Are aliens real? I've heard this movie. Maybe. Maybe.

When did that one come out?

If I had to guess when that came out, I think I would probably put it around 2022, because Begonia has.

Is people worried about aliens. Have you seen that?

Yes. I love Begonia.

I thought it was the landing that it sticks at the end is remarkable.

Yeah. And that's one of those movies. I never could predict where it was going to go.

No.

Have not seen that one, though.

That one. That one's worth the watch because it. It's got Jesse Plemons in it, and I really like him. I think he's really good. And it's got our. Our friend Emma Stone.

Yeah, our good friend. Yeah, she almost came on for the last episode, too.

Well, I mean, it's not Ezra Pound and it's not Emma Stone. No, it's Ezra Stone.

All three good friends of the show. Yes. They love it when we say that. Anyway, so cosmic Dawn. That's what that's about. Cult.

Say dong or Dawn.

I'm gonna leave that one up to listener interpretation. Interpretation.

Yep.

Fair enough. So the last person I'm going to talk about here is Jason Roth, who played Dorito Guy.

We have gotten closer to a movie.

Dorito cheese on my fingers.

I was gonna talk about the guy who plays Spicer, but then I saw Dorito Guy and I clicked on that, and him and the guy who played Spicer kind of in most of the same things, so. Oh, wow.

Okay.

So this must be. This is like a local scene, you know? So this guy's done a little bit everything. Directing, editing, producing, sound work, whatever. But he did most. His. Most of his credits are from acting. He was also in Buzzard.

Okay.

Talked about earlier, he was in a movie called the Last Vampire on Earth.

Oh, I like the way that one sounds.

Yes. So this woman gets trapped inside, like, a collapsed warehouse or something. There's like, this creepy cryo container thing, okay. And it's labeled as, like, human predator. It opens, and guess what's inside.

Bunny rabbit.

Don't open. Human predator. Danger.

Y.

Stop.

I. Unfortunately, it gets open somehow, and it is a vampire.

And the last one on Earth, I

assume, potentially the last vampire ever to live would be dead, I guess.

Not really how that works, though.

Can't he just make more vampires to be in his vampire gang?

Oh, I didn't think that.

I don't know Vampire Earth.

I would assume he's only the last one when they first take him out of cryo.

Yes.

Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know. Maybe the movie addresses this. It seems like, to me, like, the. The warehouse collapses due to some sort of, like, catastrophe above ground. Like something, like, apocalyptic happens.

A giant. A giant vampire bat drops blood on it.

Yeah, that probably happens. Oh, yeah. She accidentally awakens by disturbing a vampire bat who flies and drops blood.

Yeah, what probably happened is the Last Vampire on Earth came out, and some vampire fans were really upset that the last vampire on Earth was a. Was a woman. So then they had to make a sequel to it where somehow Nosferatu came back. Somehow Nosferatu returned.

Oh, thank God. The series is saved.

Turns out. Yeah, the big bad from the last vampire on earth was really just clothed and.

Yeah, didn't really matter.

Nothing.

Like just throw him to the curb. Who cares? Yeah, because we all love Nosferatu so much. Even if maybe the. The movies before didn't talk about Nosferatu at all. Didn't really bring him up. Not really building to anything. He just kind of shows up. No explanation needed because. No, he's Nosferatu. He just is here. Yep. Maybe if you played like the video game tie in, you might have learned a little bit more about what happened, but maybe it's. It's fine. You know, I think Nosferatu got a little spotlight in Fortnite or something, but. But it's okay.

Yep.

Any who. So the vampire is weakened when it wakes up, huh? I imagine would be, yeah. Because I mean, it's hungry. It's just been chilling in this crowd

in the weight room for a while.

Yeah.

Yeah. He hasn't been working out and. But I guess like. So they have this conversation. He tells the woman about like the secret history of the world and it shatters, like her conception of the world's history. She can't believe it. I don't know what the secret is. We'd have to watch the film. But I tell you, wouldn't want to be trapped with the last vampire on earth inside of abandoned warehouse. That's for sure.

That's what he. Depends what he's got tell me.

Yeah, that's true.

What secrets is he unveiling to me?

Does any of you really like, apply to me at this situation though? Like, I mean, what's he gonna tell me that's gonna really change everything? What am I gonna do?

Apparently, the history of the earth. Well, I'm intrigued by this movie now because. Is it just this person thaws the last vampire on earth and they just have a chit chat?

I think they talk and they have little scraps here and there because I think he does try to eat her at one point, but.

Oh, I like the idea of this movie.

Yeah, it's not spelled like classic vampire spelled cool way like with a. Yes, the Y has the Y in it.

Let me guys change my note here. Backspace, backspace, backspace.

Do not get him confused because there's apparently a lot of Last Vampire on Earth films.

Oh, that's probably why it's spelled that

way, by the way.

If they're spelling with a Y, I don't want to see it anymore. Never mind. I'm out.

Oh, that ruins it. I think that's way cooler. Keith.

Keith.

You would.

Has never abided by the and sometimes. Why Rule of vowels in the Alphabet. So he hates that.

Oh, yeah, he's. That might be the secret history of Keith.

He sometimes.

Why we're gonna have to edit that out now.

The other movie. I'll talk about that. This guy.

My name is actually spelled K E Y T H.

K E Y ke

no, not that.

No. Queef. Oh, Keith.

Oh, it's pretty funny. So there's one other thing I want to talk about. It's this film. It's called the Accidental Exorcist.

Like that sound of that one too.

A great title. It's about a man who is a natural born exorcist. So I'm already confused. Doesn't seem like an accident, but he's really good at it. But he's really worn out because, as you know, there's been more and more possessions happening lately. Sure, but the devil is a constant.

Never ends.

Yeah, exactly. Like his. His mental fortitude is dropping. His physical fortitude is dropping. He can't keep doing this forever. But it's the only thing he's ever been good at. So what else would he do? I don't know. Work in the office.

I don't think I relate to this guy and somebody.

Yeah.

Once you've. Once you've been an exorcist for so many years and you get to a point you're like, I don't know what else I can do. And you look at the paper, there's not that many exorcists hiring out there.

No.

It's a very competitive market.

LinkedIn has very little exorcism stuff on it.

That's true. If you see someone who's been working as an exorcist on there for like 10 plus years, you know, they're like. They're in there. They're never leaving that spot. Yeah, yeah.

Craigslist used to be a leading. Go for that, but not anymore.

Yeah, yeah, it's. But once you're an exorcist, I feel like it's an easy transition out because, like, nothing else will surprise you.

Yeah, it's a very niche specialization.

You can't even really become like a priest after that. No, really. Because, like, it's not the same.

Yeah, it's just.

Just having. I was like, oh, great. She's puking up green goo again. Go. God. Okay. I just have a mop at the ready at all times. You know, he's got. He's got all the tips. Judging by the name. I thought it was gonna be kind of funny. Accidental Exorcist. Sounds like a comedy to me. Yes, the movie trailer is. Seems very serious. Very serious. It's like a real struggle, like, for spiritual and physical, mental. You know, he's like. He's on the brink, fighting all these demons all the time. Which I would be too, I guess, probably. I don't know. Maybe he needs to take a vacation. That's all I'm. That's all I'm saying. I wonder how much you get paid to be a professional exorcist. I don't know.

It's pretty low. Yeah.

Because I feel like it's kind of expected. You just do it for free.

Right. I think it'd be really high because it's super. Like how if you go to Exorcist in the phone book, there's not like many.

But who's paying for it?

Well, I mean, the person that's family,

church probably could be because, you know, the Catholic Church has more money than God. Oh, well, I mean, they can easily be cashing out to the guy, but it sounds like he's a freelance guy.

Yeah, if I were an exercise, I'd be like a freelance exorcist or like an exorcist consultant sort of thing. I would not work for somebody like that.

You'd be like that. That one lady in Poltergeist.

Oh, yeah, A little lady. It comes in, throws a. A tennis ball into the wall and stuff.

Yeah. Like, looks for the missing children and the lights and the tv.

Yeah.

I'd be that person.

Oh, yeah. I am that person sometimes.

Wow. Okay. Well, that's great.

The accidental post. Poltergeist.

I wonder if.

Poltergeist.

Yeah, yeah. Accident. Accidental poltergeist. That's all I'm good at, is consulting about poltergeists. Yep. But anyways, that's really all I got. I guess there was a couple fun facts, but there weren't that many. I could share them if you want.

Yes, Give us fun facts.

So the jokes in this movie, the comedian that the comedian tells, are from the director's own personal experiences as a comedian in New York.

Yeah.

All right. Yep. And this. This movie also features the game Joust Fun.

Yes, it does features.

Well.

Hot damn, man, Terry, that was way closer to ape than I ever wanted to get.

Closer Than many people want to get to.

An ape is joust the one where you're riding on, like, an ostrich or something like that?

Yes.

Yep. Okay. Yep.

And you're jousting on an ostrich.

Yes, yes.

Instead of a horse, it's an ostrich, but you still have a.

You got a flap. It doesn't really fly. And you gotta land kind of like top. Coming down on top of the other knights. Because if you're coming straight on, you get you killed.

Yeah. You're not really using the jousting, like, sword at all. You're kind of just bouncing on them Mario style.

Yeah. But no, if he comes straight on, like, from top down, you. You. There's like a very. There's a little window there of. Of good.

I feel like I would honestly, like, ostriches are fine. They're mean, but they're fine. But I'd rather just have a horse. Just give me a horse. I don't care if they fly around. I'll just get on a horse. It's more safe.

Give me a flying horse.

A pegasus. Yeah.

Even if it's a pegasus. But it can only fly like an ostrich, where you, like, flap for, like, a few feet, you know, like chicken style.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll take it.

Give me just a giant turkey.

Oh, boy. There's turkeys that wander our neighborhood here.

Oh, really?

Like, they're wild turkeys.

Yeah, we got wild turkeys.

If a turkey was the size of an ostrich, do you think it would defeat the ostrich?

Yes.

Okay.

Ostriches are dumb. Like.

Yeah, but they're. But they're pretty. They're pretty violent when they want.

They're extremely stupid. Like, I. I say that not to be mean to the ostrich community, but spitting facts. Their brains are like the size of peas. And they. They. They have no, like, understanding of what's true.

You look in their eyes, you can tell. They're just.

They're vacant. Yes.

Yeah.

I've been close to an ostrich. It's.

It's like I've heard an ostrich before.

I have to.

They're all instinct. I was too scared to feed the ostrich. I'm not touching those things.

Yeah, they're a little, like. So I went on like a. I almost a casino, but that's wrong. I.

You're gambling?

No. With your life. Yeah.

Yeah.

What are they called? A safari.

So drive through zoo.

Yeah. It's not really a safari in Africa. It was a Safari in Ohio. But they had lots of African animals, including rhinoceri and, and stuff, and giraffes and ostriches. And we're driving through and the ostriches come like walk up to the vehicle you're in and they just eat the seats.

Yeah. They'll stick their head in the window

and they just sit there and they're eating like the foam out of the seats. And I'm like, these things are stupid.

And they're not, they're, they're not gentle either. They're really going for it. You hold out food for them, they just snap at it.

Yeah, yeah. See, I've done the drive thru thing before and, and fed them and just kind of hold the hand up there and they quickly peck it and then you, you know, you whip your hand away.

Yeah.

But then I also went to Rooster Cogburn's ostrich farm.

From True Grit.

It. I don't know, I don't know the, I don't know the full connection between if it's supposed to be connected to the same person, but it's out just north of Tucson and they all named

after the character Cogburn from True.

Yeah, you can't just make that up.

No.

Every random name generator on the face of the earth would never come up with Rooster.

No.

Unless you told it to theme it around a rooster.

Yeah, yeah.

And.

But those ones, mechanical fires. But those ones, you, those ones there, like, you kind of just had to like throw like the little feed stuff like into the little tray and let it, let them eat it because they were very, you know, they, they would all just line up there and just start pecking away at people.

That's what I was doing. They come with the window. I would just throw it out the window and they would go chase after the food. I was like, leave me alone, Raster. I do not want you getting up in my grill.

They are, they are dumb creatures.

So turkeys smarter.

They got. Nothing's dumber than an ostrich.

You think that's the dumbest animal, Keith,

what do you think?

Stumbling an ostrich, one of my dogs, easily.

Even if even the dumbest dog is smarter than the smartest ostrich.

I think they're probably all very similar levels. Like, there's not much difference though between like a turkey and a, and an ostrich.

I bet you a turkey's way smarter than ostrich. I don't have cognitive tests to run the turkeys that wander around our neighborhood.

But if, I mean, we're not talking about ravens or. Or crows. So we're. We're not that level. They're.

Those are smart. Yeah.

Yeah, they are.

I thought I'd rather shrink the ostrich down to turkey size than have the turkey get bigger, honestly, I think. Yeah. Because I don't want that giant turkey to live on after what happened.

We did it. We did our weekly ostrich talk.

I'm glad we got that out of the way.

Usually we wait till the end, but I'm glad we got out early.

Yep. Yeah. Because now it's time for ape talk.

It's time for ape talk. We're done talking about turkeys. We're done talking about ostriches. Now we must talk about apes.

Orangutan versus gorilla.

Or the ape. Yeah, it's not the ape. It's just ape.

It's just a.

Just ape.

All right, well, what'd you guys think of ape man?

It's India's, I'll give it that.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Yep. You. You achieved the goal. Yes. Gold star, Terry.

I. I do. There's something about this movie. I don't know where it was filmed. I guess it was filmed in Michigan. It reminded me a lot of Joliet, Illinois, which is where I grew up. I was like, these houses could exist in Joliet. This street with a 711 on it couldn't exist in Joliet. This car with the wolfman out in front of it, it's Juliet.

That does sound like.

That's. That's Jefferson Avenue.

This. Jeff. I know, exactly, right. It reminded it. It's a very mid. It must be a very Midwestern thing. I found this movie very interesting, and I actually liked it quite a bit.

Yes, I liked it quite a bit too. It's definitely an indie film. Very like, you know, low budget, but pretty competent for a low budget, and.

Yeah, very competent for low budget.

So a lot of interesting things.

A lot of times we watch something on here, and I. And I think this mostly happens with Terry and me more than you, Derek. But we come in here, and Terry and I maybe think, well of a film, and then we start to talk about it, and it. The shine wears off. I'm gonna need you guys to talk me up into this one, because Shine's already off.

Oh, he's coming in low. He doesn't like.

I. I was like, you know what? Terry brought us the cat and happy for it. There's no way he competes with that anymore.

You think this is worse than Cat in the Hat?

Oh, this is I. I really struggled with watching this movie. Like, wow. I could not find how any of it was remotely funny. None of the jokes. I know, I know the jokes aren't supposed to be like, super funny jokes. And there's a lot of repeat stuff that he seems to like little bits with the fire and stuff like that are just. They go on. Like he's watching TV and just burning pieces of toilet paper or whatever. Like, I. He's just.

Huh.

I just.

I found.

I just kept watching this going, what? And like that. And I paused it to go eat dinner and then came back down to watch the last 30 minutes. I told my family. I'm like, I don't think there's going to be an ending.

There isn't. There's an ending for sure.

Well, no, I said, I don't think there's gonna be an ending that's gonna, like, reverse where I'm at on this movie. Like, there's. He's not gonna, like, bring something back around fully.

You don't think so?

Oh, my gosh, no, not at all. No.

I thought the punchline in the movie was great. And. And here's why.

So.

Yeah. So, yeah, that could be my sound bite for the week.

Speechless.

Yeah.

So, you guys, I really did, you

know, pitch me up how. How this is. Was a very enjoyable movie because I really struggled.

So the punchline of the movie is the fact he's got an apple tree grown out of his side. Right. And when you're a kid, what are you told not to do? Like, you don't eat watermelon seeds. Don't eat the core of an apple because it's. They'll grow inside your stomach. That's the punchline of the movie. Right. And even at the mid. It was almost the midpoint where he goes, I'm gonna eat the cord. That'd be funny. Right? And he ate the core of the apple. You know, he's got apple seeds in his belly. And then. And then he also got the kicked out of him. And then he like, snapped after that, which I appreciated. But the punchline is ultimately, he's got an apple tree growing on the side of him.

Yeah, that's true. Ah. And then he's wearing an ape costume at the end. Yep. This is one of those movies where it's a weird time travel thing going on in this.

There's a little bit of a time travel thing in it. Yeah.

He keeps talking about his time machine.

I don't think it's literal time travel. I think just the Mundane of his life where any day could be any day.

No, I was thinking more was like the ape showing up and doing stuff. Like the ape smashes his tv. The ape shows up in his bathroom.

Yep.

Standing behind him.

Is this destiny?

Yeah, that's what I was like. Is there like a time travel thing going on where he's traveling back a

bit and you think he's traveling back and he's.

He's the ape. He's the ape because he keeps showing up when he's doing stuff and he just looks at him and walks away.

It could be the joke about the bed becoming this time machine.

Time machine. It'll be done sometime in the future.

Yeah.

There is something like either, like super, like weirdly maybe, you know. Yeah. Like a supernatural element with like the ape. There's the Satan guy. Okay.

I will say that was the one bit that I actually enjoyed.

I did like that.

No fruit. He's gonna. He wants to trade him.

It's like a chewed up dog toy.

He's like, I got. He's like, I got this. I got this golden apple delicious apple. He's like, oh, okay, let's trade for it.

It's a little golden delicious too.

Yeah.

I like that. Satan doesn't want to get rid of it. He's really like, you have to like, pull his leg. You're like. He's like, no, I'm not giving you this. This is not for sale. And he's like, come on.

I. I enjoy that. That part. I just. I don't think it ever fully. There's no. There's not a payoff for me from it.

He's got an apple tree grown on his side. God damn it. And he has an ape costume with a hole cut out especially. See pull apples off of it.

Yeah. What more do you want? It's a weird movie.

Like, I feel it's a very weird movie. The.

The. The narrator. It reminds me of King of Comedy. Yes. Like, low budget.

This is a joker. This. If. If you would have told me that what's his face watch this movie and then made the joker, I'd be like, yeah, makes sense.

Like joker. But honestly, better you tell me that

Jared Little wanted to remake or no Joaquin Phoenix wanted to remake this movie.

You might have. Yeah, I could totally see Joaquin F.

But I mean this, he is like a low key, lame ass joker in this movie. He does kill his. Possibly kill his neighbor.

Yeah, he probably did.

Yeah.

He firebombed his boss's backyard.

Yeah.

Yeah. He's unhinged he loses it. Which I like the build up because you can kind of tell he's a man on the brink, you know? Yeah. Because he's very like his life is just at the lowest point. He makes like 18 per gig, if that. Yes. It's not enough to live by.

He's selling a joke book with really bad jokes. By the way, Derek, I think you keep telling us about your audiobook listings. I think you turn the bass up on those a little bit.

Yeah, I should. Yeah. So there's actually, I, I. There was a thread on Threads recently where this woman was talking about listening to her erotica on an audiobook. And she was at. She went to the park and let her kids run around. She sat in the car while they were on the swings. Right. Which is very parent thing to do. Like, you guys go swing. I'll be over here sitting in her car. And a woman came up and gave her the like to roll down the window sign. And she rolls on the window. She goes, I can hear your audiobook. And it's like full of. It's erotica, right? So it's full of. So she's like. So she get rolls at the window, presses play, closes the door and stands outside and she could hear it. And she starts cracking up. And then she realizes, like, there she is at school drop off and school hiccup.

Everyone she listening to apparently a lot.

Right? There's a lot of. There's a lot of smut out there to listen to. And she likes it. She likes her erotica audiobooks. Turn up the bass.

Yeah, the. It's. Yeah. Like, it's hard to tell if this guy's. Yeah. If we're being told correctly, I guess, like, what's going on? Because, like, did the apple literally grow out of him? Literally? Or is that like some weird, like fever dream he's having?

I hope it's literal.

Me too. I hope Satan was real and I hope the gorilla was real.

I hope Satan is real and he's that disappointing.

I like that. Satan is like, you have to pull his arm up. You have to like pull his. Really get him to give you what he want, you know, like, come on, give me the apple. He's like, no, it's not for sale.

Like you really have.

Usually it's, you know, you meet him at a crossroads and yeah, he's very willing to hand something over. You just have to, you know, his old contract thing, blah, blah, blah. This time it's, I kind of really want to eat this apple myself.

Trades lame ass. Joke for an apple. He doesn't eat it. He carries it around for a long time too.

Maybe you get what you pay for or, you know, whatever you used to pay for it. Like it's the better it is. Like if you paid with like a really good joke, it might have been a really good apple, but he paid with a really crappy joke.

So it's a monkey pug situation.

Also, the fact that as soon as he says the joke again is then when he really kind of.

Yes.

The thing sprouts out of him and everything like that. So he's like, he traded it. You shouldn't be using it again.

Yep.

Oh, good point. Yeah, he's. Satan was in the audience. He was probably going like, Satan was

in the audience,

still in the costume.

Everybody he saw from the movie was in there. Like, the Dorito guy was there. Yeah, the other guy.

Yeah, Dorito guy. Tim. The 711 worker.

Satan. Sasquatch.

Yeah.

What about the little kids he gave the fireworks to? Were they there?

Oh, they were so excited to get a fireworks. I. If you look at it like, like he's lame. His life is lame. His jokes are lame.

Uhhuh.

Like all the stuff sucks. He's even a lame pyromaniac because when instead it's like a pyromanic. I was like, oh, he's gonna start fires and stuff. Yeah. Kinda starts a fire in a dumpster one time.

That's the best fire he has too. When he throws the thing into the. When he throws the. The thing into his boss's backyard, I'm like, doesn't really do anything.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, there was a bunch of dry leaves back there that probably caught on fire.

Yeah.

But like he's even a bad pyromaniac. Right. Like he's not good at any of this stuff.

The non dairy creamer catching on fire.

That.

That was actually.

I never knew that. And maybe want to go buy non dairy creamer and see there are actually birds like that. But it wasn't until the end when he's just like it and he stops trying to be whatever. He was actually pretty fine. Right. Right.

Yeah, he'd actually got improved.

Like he got laughs, he got what he'd been wanting. And you see him. It was probably the best set of his life at the end. And then he's like, oh, and he's got an apple. And then from there he has the best set of his life. He. He insults his boss, he insults the guy that could possibly give him an opportunity. He insults the devil by stealing his. Is taking his joke back, and he's relegated to being an ape. And then maybe he did make a time machine. I love that idea. Keith. I didn't even think of it. That's him going back in time to give him a warning. Stop watching tv.

Yeah.

Maybe.

Because it even, like, when he starts to go to say, like, one of the jo. Like, start going on that last rant, or the ape, like, walks out.

Yeah.

Yeah. He has to go back, do it all over again.

Yep.

He failed.

I love that idea. I didn't even think of that. I just thought it was, you know, just throwaway things.

The ape's like his future. Yeah. The foretelling of the future.

Yeah.

This is what you could become if you're not careful. Like a man on the side of the street wearing an ape costume.

Uhhuh.

A man in your bathroom. Win an ape costume. Man at a comedy club wearing an ape.

A man standing in your shower while you puke into your sink.

Yes. His toothpaste or whatever was a nasty color.

I thought it was bloody.

Yeah, well, because the first time he does, it's when he. After he gets the dude clocks him with the.

Yes.

Okay. With the wire cutters or whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah.

God, he got rocked in that moment. I thought he was gonna be. I thought he was gonna die. Maybe he did die.

He. Maybe he did die. Good point. Because I feel like after he gets hit by the guy, that's when things start getting.

That is the literal midpoint is when

he got hit there, things start getting a little strange. Yeah.

Things changed.

And it's like, before that, he's, like. It seems like he is trying to be, like, a good person, you know? He's weird.

Yes. Yes.

But, like, you know, he tries to do the right thing. Like, he gives the guy money even though he ends up not being able to afford stuff himself.

He gets it back, though, at the end. And then I remember, it's like, oh, there's grape. It's always been grape. It was never.

Yeah, his fantasies, wildest fantasies have come true.

So maybe it's not real at the end.

I don't think it is. I think he either died or he's like, his brain has been broken.

Yeah. There's a good chance he got stuck

watching the Jerry Lewis telethon on vhs, which.

Yeah, which, you know what? That would kind of be fitting. You know, a lame life that he's been living. He's kind of pathetic. Blah, blah, blah. And then when he dies, his wildest fantasies come true. And that's it.

Yeah, they're. And they're. They're not. They're not much crazier than what his normal life is.

It's not even that insane.

It's not even that great. Yeah.

But it's like, that's kind of fitting to his character, honestly. Like, this is better to him. Like, oh, I know. I have $10. Like, the grapes, the grape flavors back. Thank God.

Yep. And Dorito guy's there. Whatever he wants. I'm like, $10 is buying Doritos.

And I love that Dorito guy. Sharing. Waking him up or whatever, interrupting him to give him a Dorito. Then he looks back at Dorito guy. He's, like, licking his fingers all over.

Yeah.

So funny.

Have you guys seen that commercial? The guys are in the barbershop. Like, the one guy that's been eating Doritos or whatever.

No.

And he's still going to, like, shave a guy's. Is the guy's hair, but he's got, like, a pinky hanging down, and you can see, like, the dust on it. And the guy, like, the guy getting his haircut, like, just starts to, like, suck on the face.

Yeah.

That's a commercial.

Yes.

That's trying to sell something.

Yes. That sells Doritos. I don't like that. Thank you.

No, thank you.

Oh, God. I do have some Doritos sitting right next to me.

Terry.

I could try him on air.

No. When he's watching the Jerry Lewis telethon and they're, like, going down the list of guests, it goes on a very long time. And it made me laugh. Good. Like this, because it. It was talking, and then he gets up and he leaves and still going. While he's out in the hallway.

Yeah. It's too many guests at that.

Too many guests on the Jerry Lewis teleton.

Announced, like, two and, like, five and every hour or something. We don't gotta do them all at once. Yeah, that was funny. The scenes of him just, like, sitting in his room being weird.

Yeah.

I thought were very interesting, like, character development. Like, just because it's, like, makes you uncomfortable where I'm just, like, sitting there watching him, like, giggle at the, like, whatever Western he's watching and, like, burning the paper. Just shows you this guy is, like, on the brink of, you know. I don't know. To me, I'm like, yeah, this guy is a little. One push and he could lose it.

I don't know. Like, there's something about the main character that was, like, oddly likable. Like.

Yeah.

I Wanted him to be successful.

I like, it's endearing to see him, like, he's failing every night at this comedy thing, but he's still trying, you know, fails. He wants to be good at it. And he's only getting 18 bucks a night, basically, to do this. Yeah, like, he's not drawing anybody in. Nobody wants to take a coupon from him. But yet he still comes back because that's like his goal or whatever, you know, like, it's like you want him to be at least good at something in his life.

I did. What's his name? Spicer. He sucked Spicer. I hated him. He remind me of people that I've met in my life. I'm just like, God bless it, man, you suck.

Yeah, Spicer really got on my nerves.

And the boss sucked. And the poor waitress got fired or the bartender got fired.

Yeah, the one person who's nice to him kind of. And then, yeah, she gets fired.

Here's why this movie is one of the reasons this movie is super indie. Indie af.

Right.

You could tell they had like next to zero money when they made this because the fire that he starts in the backyard, you don't see the. You don't see the stuff catch on fire. They clearly ran in and extinguished as fast as they could.

And he threw, like, on concrete. Not on anything that would actually smash it on concrete.

Right. Then. Then the. There's the. The fire in the dumpster. It's clearly an empty dumpster. Right. And all this kind of stuff. And then he. And then at the end, when he's angry at his boss, it's like, oh, yeah, you know what? I believe he throws a singular pint glass onto the ground.

Yeah.

Like, that's $8, right? Like. Like you can't break too much. No, Lots of one takes. You could tell that it's very, very low budget, very indie. But the. Those are the things that I find endearing. That's what I found endearing about the last two movies we watched as well. You could tell the things that they had to do. I think Hundreds of Beavers is the biggest budget movie we watched so far this month. Yeah, like, undoubtedly. But I don't know. This one had things I enjoyed. I liked it. Did we make it through Ape?

I think we did.

Yeah.

I think we did.

It's. Unfortunately, the ape in the movie is not a real ape.

If it would. If they could have hired a real ape, that would.

They could have afforded a real ape

that had been something like train an ape to be in the Movie. I mean, if you're indie, maybe you could just find an ape. Yeah, you train them up yourself, get them in there.

Speaking of apes, there's this thing that was been floating around on social media this week. I don't know if we saw it. It was this woman who thought she was being cute. She had a baby, and they were at the zoo, and there's this glass, and there's an orangutan sitting then on the other side of the glass. Now the orangutan is clearly. Got his hand in his crotch doing stuff, right? It's obvious sitting there, but they're. They're not paying attention. They got a baby and they're like. They put the baby up to the glass, thinking that the orangutan's gonna have a special moment. And the orangutan sees it, gets up and jumps towards the glass and shoves its orangutan wiener right at the baby.

Come on, the orangutan. Look at this.

Yeah, it's like, give me my piece. Right? But fine, you want to put your baby up there? I'm gonna put my. My baby up there.

Is this what you wanted? Is this what you wanted?

Evolution, my ass.

Yeah, it was. It's. It's. It's been making this rounds. I don't know if it's an old thing, but I saw it. It made me chuckle. And that's why I thought of what I thought of ape.

When I was a kid, I went to the zoo and I went up there in the gorilla exhibit, and I went up to go look at the gorillas, went up to the glass and. And a gorilla came charging and slammed into the glass. And then it ran off. It was trying to kill me. Yeah, it was trying to kill me, but, yeah.

Oh, that's too much for me.

That didn't happen to me. But at the Milwaukee Zoo, they have a. I like their lion exhibit at least.

Yeah.

I don't know how much they've changed it, but, like, during the winter, they're indoors and it's a small area, and the lions are actually very up close to you behind glass and all. But, like, this one little girl was like sitting there kind of like leaning on the glass, and the lioness was kind of like pacing back and forth. She stopped right where the little girl was like, face right there. And then the girl turned around to see what was going. Like, just turned around to go back to looking at the line and, like, face right there. Man, that little girl fell back. Like, she didn't get Hurt like that. But it's very, very funny little thing to see there.

Yeah. Thank goodness there's glass there.

Yeah.

That line would have ate that girl just like that orangutan would have put its wiener on that. Baby. We don't have that.

Thank God for that glass.

Thank God for the glass. That's a shirt. Thank God for the glass.

There's just an orangutan, like, peeking around the corner. Yeah. Got his hand down there. Yeah.

Pressing his genitals against the glass.

Thank God. It's a very explicit shirt, but it's not, like, that bad. It's the orangutan. It's nature. You can't get mad.

Yeah. It's scientific.

Ring tanks have wieners. It's fine.

Half of orangutans.

Yeah, well, half of them. You're right.

Ring things got nards.

Oh, my gosh. We're back to nerds. Kick it in the nerds. Oh, speaking of, dude got kicked in the nerds several times this movie did.

Yeah.

Yeah. I couldn't believe that the, like, promoter guy did that to him. That was pretty harsh. In the bathroom.

Several nerd neck wrecks. Yeah.

He. He gets beat up at his job, and he still comes back.

Yes. That's how much his life sucks.

He's making, like, $18 every Friday night or something.

Yeah.

Oh, and he, like. Yeah. Nobody's paying him his money. Oh, man.

18 bucks to get kicked in the nuts.

Yeah. And be made fun of by the,

like, promoter guy when he calls that guy up there and then hits him with the mic stand. Oh. I was like, hell, yeah. That's awesome. Why'd you come up here? Funny guy?

That was good.

Yeah.

Because there's, like, just, like, this wall back here, just.

And that's when he started to become Getting his groove, too, because he was actually being funny when that.

And that was after he got wrecked in the head by the bolt cutters. By that guy. Because he was trying to be like, hey, you're stealing a bike, and. Yeah. Anyway, whatever.

Maybe the. Yeah. Maybe the ape time travel thing is true. Maybe I'd like.

I like that idea. I didn't think of that. Keith and I was trying to find, like, time travel, like, angles because he br. It's a. It's a recurring joke, and I thought it. I thought it meant something. And I think Keith cracked the ape nut.

He cracked the nut of the ape. The ape's nut has been cracked.

Yep. Keith's got ape nut all over him. And he figured it out.

That reggaetank's peeking around the glass.

Thank God for the glass. All right, boyos. We got through the ape and then some. What did we think of the ape or not? It's not the.

Not the ape. It's just ape.

I.

Okay.

Maybe you guys helped and added, like, half a star more than I was gonna give it.

That's good.

If I think of it as the time traveling thing, maybe that's another half star that goes to it. But I'm still. It's still not getting very high on marks here. I just. I really just struggled to get into this one.

I knew you would when I was watching this. Mike boy. Keith doesn't like this at all.

No, no. And I had to watch it on Tubi. That made it even worse.

I watched on tv, too.

Yeah, but you like to be.

You're right.

I like. He does like to be Terry is To be Terry.

That's what they call me. The. To be Terry of Kansas.

To be Terry. It sounds like Tributary, which is also over.

Or one or one of the Teletubbies or Teletubby.

Oh, I follow this person. I follow lots of weird stuff on social media because I can't tell news anymore. So I. I make an effort to. If somebody does something weird and they're doing it, I'm like, I'm gonna follow them. So this woman who does, like, makeups, like Hollywood makeups, sort of. She does them into the camera, and she's, like, staring into the camera. And she did Teletubby, but it was like a demented Teletubby.

Oh, yeah.

It was like a demon Teletubby. Okay. But the whole time she's doing it, she's going Teletubby. It's. It's. It's. I'm at the fight it now because it's weird.

That sounds weird, but kind of cool. It is. Tubbies are kind of weird anyway, so. Yeah. Can't get that much weirder, I guess.

Nope.

I did like this movie. I thought it was good. Obviously. Very indie. You kind of have to keep that in mind. Like, you know, you can tell. Slow budget, just kind of shot in broad daylight on the streets. No permits or anything. Probably just kind of doing their own thing. But it's a very coherent. There's some interesting stuff with the plot. Like, I like when the movie has kind of some intrigue where it doesn't have any clear answers sometimes. Like, what exactly happened? Did he die when that happened? What, like, is he just lost his mind? Is it supernatural in some way? I don't know. Is Satan real? Maybe. Who knows? I like that it's a movie that makes you think. It's basically Joker, but better, in my opinion. And it's basically King comedy, but not quite as good. I thought it was. I liked it. I enjoyed it quite a bit, actually.

I agree. I actually like this movie more than I thought I was going to like it. And it started off rough. I'm like, boys, when is Andy af? I don't know. I. I like the dude that was the main character or whatever. Right. I liked how bad the jokes were. That's. I mean, I get. That's the point. And I just enjoyed that.

I don't know.

It is, like you said, Terry is the Joker, but better.

It really is. I genuinely think it's better than Joker.

It is the Joker, but better. I've seen far worse movies. There's something that is those indie. Like, even your Clerks. This had a very Clerks sort of quality to it. Like, it was a higher level than Big Bad Betty as far as, like, production values go, but not as high as Hundreds of Beavers, man. Like that scene where he walks across the interstate or the highway.

Yeah.

Like, you know, they did that during traffic.

Yes. Like, they had to be careful. Yeah.

So, you know, there are people driving down the road, like, who's this? With a guy with a camera behind him. Right. Like, that happened. Right? Yeah. Those trucks, like, there's just something about that. I like that level of filmmaking.

Yeah. You know they didn't, like, close off traffic that day. No, they couldn't.

I mean, it probably cost more than the entire budget of this movie to close off traffic.

Yep.

Yeah. I like this movie. There's something about. Is it great? No, it's not the best movie ever seen, but did I enjoy it? Hell, yeah. Anyway, we know, we thought. What did the Internet have to say? Well, on April 26th of 2013, lonely birthday had this to say. Oh, I feel bad.

What's that?

If you get it, you get it. Lucky enough to catch this weird little gem at VIFF Vancouver Fest. Low budget and surreal with humor that you'll either get or won't. Nothing here is too obvious or direct. I actually thought a lot of the jokes the main character tells are pretty damn funny. The lead character, Trevor, is a lot like Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver 2.

Great performance.

The director obviously doesn't like the MTV style of editing or using flashy camera tricks. It's all very real feeling and mundane. There's no romance of big, sad or dramatic moments. I don't even remember hearing a traditional score. Just some really cool punk metal and hip hop songs that the lead character hears. I agree with that. I liked that the music was all through his headphones or his his boombox.

Yeah, me too.

It's like we're directly inside his head. Very cool choice and something I don't remember seeing before. Hopefully it will come out in the US soon, or at least back to Canada. 14 found it helpful. 3 not so much 9 out of 10 nice. Ah, but not to be outdone, on April 25, 2013 Nat K N A T Louie had this to say. Decent, no budget flick, but not really worth your time. I saw this at the Copenhagen Film Festival cphpix, where the director Joel Petroikis was also present, and he shared a handful of interesting facts about the film afterwards. Among them being that the budget for the film was only around 2,000 bucks, mostly going to catering and crew and transportation. So with that in mind, the end result is actually quite impressing. If you have absolutely nothing better to do with your time and wow, that's not a very good and you love watching amateurish, unfunny in quotes unfunny movies with no real plot or character hyphen development at all. This movie is perfect for you. So basically it's one of those if you're shitty this movie, you'll dig this movie.

Yeah, it's like if you if your taste is bad, then you'll like it.

If you like dumb stuff, you'll love this. For everybody else, it's not P.S. colon. The director also mentioned that all the jokes Trevor tells in the film are actually his own bad jokes from when he himself was a stand up comedian. So you can't even tell him to stick to his day job either as the jokes really stunk hard.

Wow.

6 found it helpful. 21 not so much. 2 out of 10.

You can't even tell him to stick to his day job. Dang it.

Oh, and that that's like the perfect thing to yell at somebody too. Stick to your damn job.

This movie shows his jokes is not good. I think he knew that his jokes weren't that great.

That was the point.

Are you, are you comedian? No. Okay. Yes. Yes I am.

Yeah, he liked his deadpan delivery for a lot of stuff.

Yeah, once it went towards the end he got like he came into his own.

The microwave joke sucked balls.

That was bad.

That was a bad, bad joke.

Give that one up.

Yeah, but when, when the moments where he like doesn't, he goes off script joke Wise.

Yeah.

And he does that, like, Satan jokes. Like, I wouldn't. You know, maybe with the devil, but only if he had, like, good VHS tapes that made me laugh. I was like, oh, that's pretty funny. And then at the end, he goes off script as well. And then we went off script. He clocked that guy with a mic stand. That was awesome.

Yeah. Nobody else was laughing about that.

You were like, well, I mean, you know, for DVDs, it'd probably be better, you know.

Yeah. I mean, something like Lone Wolf McQuaid, maybe.

Oh, God damn it. If somebody paid me In Lone Wolf McQuaid, I'd hit him with a mic stand.

Someone in the audience threw a Lone Wolf McQuaid DVD onto the stage, you'd call it.

It'd be like holy water on the possessed.

You eat the apple and then you look at your ribs, and there's a Lone Wolf McQuaid DVD sprouting from you.

That's the ultimate.

It's a car popping back out of the sand.

Oh, that's.

Oh, yeah.

I don't make Lone Wolf McQuaid references.

Like, I don't.

I don't like the movie. I have, like, almost purged it from my memory to, like, the fullest.

I don't remember anything.

Keith tries to bring it back. No.

Yeah. It's always Keith who brings that one up, isn't it?

I'm always bringing. I'm always bringing back up old timey stuff. My bad. Sorry.

Old timey stuff. No, like the name Loma for quite. Fine. The specifics of Lomo. Lonely for quite. They're almost gone. But now I remember that the car coming out of the dirt or whatever, like, he was alive in that car.

Yeah.

God damn it.

Lone Wolf McQuaid is a great name, and it's fun to say.

Yes.

That's about where the movie ends for

me, about two guys love. With the same woman who also love kung fu.

That's great. I love the premise.

Premise is amazing. It's like I could make a better movie envisioned in my head than what I actually saw. And that's what makes me really mad about it.

Yes. And with. With minimal effort. That's the part that's.

Yes. If I. Well, if I had it. Costume.

Yeah.

If I had an ape costume, I'd go back in time and I would go remake Lone Wolf McQuaid.

What if it's the costume that is the time travel device?

Could be.

He said, I put that ape costume on. He goes back in time. You only go back, like, a Week or so. Did he say that? I went back in time? It sucked.

Yeah, yeah. He only went back a week, but, yeah, I keep going back one week at a time. So I made the lone wolf McQuaid era. And then, yeah, I would just tell Chuck Norris that I'm going to be taking over from here, so get out of here. It's probably not his fault. It's probably the direction for. Right. It might be a little Chuck Norris standalone.

Wolf of Quaid was bad.

Yeah. Didn't really help. No offense to Chuck Norris is.

It was a terrible actor.

He was not recipes, of course, but, you know. Yeah, he wasn't a great.

No, he was not good. All right, well, you know what that means, boils. We got through three fourths of the weeks in month four of Y2 of DTF. That means we gotta bust out that muff wheel.

Oh, it's been a while since we had that wheel.

And so what we do every month for the wheels, each of us picks a movie that was tangentially mentioned during a deep dive or conversation or whatever. We put on the wheel and we spin that wheel and we watch that movie.

That's right. It's a great game of fate.

It's a game of fate and chance. It's also. Now we're in month

six, months 16. Oh, 16.

Yeah.

This is our 16 17th month. Right. We had 13 months to a Fumbler year. And this.

Oh, yes, that's right. I forgot. The fumbler calendar is 13 months. Yes.

So this is month 17. It's a. It's a traditional. Because we do it every month except for the one month it's all wheel spins, but then we do it four times. Like, I don't know. It's just too much.

It's something we like to do. It's a little. It's a little thing.

It's your tradition. It is. What we do is what we're known for. If you look up film fumblers or fumbling through film online and then you scroll, like to three pages deep, and you'll find that we are known for this wheel.

It's kind of like ape. When you look it up on IMDb, you kind of discuss scroll for a

while a lot like ape. That's why I like ape so much. We're kindred spirits.

It's kind of like the fumbling through film of movies.

It is. Oh, God, it is. So much so.

Yeah.

Anyway, we got this wheel and we each put a title on there. Terry, what did you put on this wheel?

I picked. Relaxer The Pac Man Y2K film directed by Joel Patrickis, starring Joshua Berg. Two people who were in this movie.

Nice. Keith, what did you choose?

I chose Lake Michigan Monster, which was mentioned during the mention. Yeah, they're 100 beavers, Rylan bricks and Cold Twos. He's the. The lead from hundreds of Beaters. It's a movie he directed and wrote and stars in.

Nice Lake Michigan Monster. Now, personally, there's lots for me to choose from. It's like, do I pick something like the red movie or Academy Award winning movie like Birdman? I could choose those.

That's why I thought you might have picked.

That's what I mean. On a different timeline, it did. But in this timeline, I chose Madame Web.

I don't even know why we talked about that.

Because Justin worked on it. Madam Web.

Oh, that's right. Oh, wow.

That's like he worked behind the scenes on Madame Web. So we're doing Madame Web. It was mentioned. I'm doing it. I've never seen it. I hope it's good.

Yeah, it might be. It might be interesting for me.

I've heard mixed reviews.

It's blind, I would say.

Now, this is because we're on a new cycle. All of our vetoes, we each have one. They've been reset. So Terry has a veto, Keith has a veto, and I have a veto.

That's right. If we don't like what it lands on, we can restart it.

We get a veto once per cycle. Are you guys ready?

Yep, I'm ready.

I took all the titles. Put them on there. Put a spin again on there. I doubled up a couple times, so it's not just, you know, three big sections on a wheel. And I'm gonna do it. So I'm gonna spin as soon as one of you says, hey, go ahead and spin.

Hey, go ahead and spin.

There it is. There it goes. It lands on Relaxer.

Wow.

Jinxed me.

Terry.

Now relax. Relaxers, the movie with Pac man, directed by the same guy that directed Ape. Starring the same guy from Ape.

Yep.

The deep dive should be very interesting.

The deep dive could be interesting. Now, Terry, Keith and I, we all have vetoes. Now, last. Last cycle, only one veto got used in Green Lantern. For some reason, was not watched by any of us.

Look, it came up with this. I'm not gonna. I'll roll along with this one. But if it would have landed on Madame Webb, we would have had. I would have used one. So I'll let this one fly.

Derek, are you happy with the relaxer? Feel free to veto. I will not take.

I'm not unhappy with a relaxer, but Keith on Madame Web. I'm gonna veto.

Derek is. He's getting a little. What's. You know, whenever we want to do something, he does the opposite. I feel like he's starting to get a little. He keeps bouncing back from what we are expecting from him.

I want to veto. And we're gonna spin again. If it lands our relaxer, so be it. Well, let's see what happens though.

He's in a certain mood.

I'm spicy today. Here we go.

Relax her again.

Relax her again.

Oh.

Oh.

It was so close to Madame Web. It's on spin again.

Are we gonna all use our vetoes this time?

Maybe.

That's my secret trick. I'm trying to get them all out of the way.

Okay.

Oh, veto.

It landed on man and web.

Veto.

Like, by a hair. By a hair. It was almost Michigan, but Madame Web gets vetoed.

Wow. I'm not using my veto. Just throwing out there right now. Whatever this is. Next is it? It's relaxer.

Back to relaxer.

Well, well, well. We could have just saved some time if we just let it go, huh? Now look who's left with all the power for the next three weeks or whatever.

Which is the inverse of last cycle where Carrie used his veto immediately.

Right. And now I can hold on to it. And, you know, I'm not a. Well, I guess you don't know that. I was gonna say I'm not a very trigger happy vetoer, but I did trigger happy that Green Lantern one, so I don't know.

Yeah, and that was because you screwed up and told us about a movie that you played a video game for before. Remember Watching which time they picked the wrong movie.

Oh, that's right. That's the only reason. Because I had my own personal motive. I would have watched Green Lantern if it had been any other scenario.

I love that we're back to Relaxer. I like it. Makes me super happy. Like, I didn't veto Relaxer out of any malice other than Keith was on Madam Web.

I. You know what? And also the fact that it spun four times and did not land on Lake Michigan. Monster.

It came.

Wow.

It almost.

Now we're back to the wheel. Hating me again. Thanks again, Terry, for reminding it.

All right, well, then that means next month or next month. I keep saying month, and it's never month. It's next week. We're watching Relaxer. Another indie AF movie.

Yes, but I think it's slightly higher production value. We'll see, though. We'll see.

You think we'll see? I don't know. With a name like Relaxer, it's got to be good.

Yeah, I would say. Makes sense. Makes sense.

Well, you know what that means, boyos? We got through all these. We're going to Relaxer. It means we gotta end this episode the way we end everything.

Everything ends like this.

I mean, what can I say?

I'm a bit of noble myself.

Nothing changes. I still got it. And you won't believe I had the hair.

And boy, did I have.

I was like the black Bobby.

Oh, yuck.

That's disgusting. Wow.

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